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Old 08-11-2012, 12:58 AM   #31
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Why is this so hard for electricians to comprehend? They choose opinion over code... As if the way they wire is supposedly better? For who though, the customers wallet or their own ego?
Because they would have to step outside of their comfort zone and actually read the NEC. It is easier to follow then to lead.

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But where does the " is it really better logic" come into play? It is a legit install, and perfectly safe.

As long it is legit set up and done properly it is comply safe.

But where the " it is really better logic " really there is none as long you use the common sense that about it.

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As long it is legit set up and done properly it is comply safe.

But where the " it is really better logic " really there is none as long you use the common sense that about it.

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Im perfectly confident with a EGC providing all the safety one needs.
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Im perfectly confident with a EGC providing all the safety one needs.
That part I do agree with you.,

Just keep in your mind with the proper EGC set up it will work very well in case the RCD do fail ( belive me I have see some RCD fail and kick out the OCPD on that )

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I disagree with that logic, you have a hard wired pump with a EGC, How is a GFCI better than THAT?
you can disagree all you want, but it's code here so that's how it gets done
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you can disagree all you want, but it's code here so that's how it gets done
And that's acceptable... but I would not find it a better job, just another mandate and expense. so thumbs down for me....
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code is bare minimum safety wise, i don't see an issue with wanting better than the bare minimum. I give the option to everyone i do work for that they can do it one way and have it cost less or they can spend a little more and have something better than the minimum.

Our code states that all pool equipment has to be wired with gfci protection no matter the motor size, It also has to be permanently wired, so no plugin motors.
What code is that?
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what code is that?
cec....
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cec....
California or Canada?
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California or Canada?
The latter, Canada. Im slowly learning the CEC, interesting in some aspects.
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Is an an insulated ground required to the pool house?
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Is an an insulated ground required to the pool house?
Yep... 680.25 (B) There is an exception though....if it is already existing.
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Because they would have to step outside of their comfort zone and actually read the NEC. It is easier to follow then to lead.
Sorry, but I do not like this comment.

I really hope you don't think this applies to most of us here.
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Sorry, but I do not like this comment.

I really hope you don't think this applies to most of us here.
No, not to most but there are a few. Unfortunately, there are a lot of electricians who learn by failing instead of taking a class or participate in a forum such as ElectricianTalk.

As soon as something out of the norm comes along, it's easier to say it is wrong then to prove it is wrong.

If anybody thinks I am wrong, prove me wrong. I don't want to hear about intent or cost. Time and time again I hear contractors pissing and moaning about how the EI wants this or that and they think it is wrong. I am actually pointing out away for a contractor to save a few bucks without violating the NEC.

A lot of EI's here in NJ didn't grasp this either when I introduced it, but the code specialists in the DCA agree with me along with my local IAEI chapter.
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If anybody thinks I am wrong, prove me wrong. I don't want to hear about intent or cost. Time and time again I hear contractors pissing and moaning about how the EI wants this or that and they think it is wrong. I am actually pointing out away for a contractor to save a few bucks without violating the NEC.
Well, I am not saying you are wrong, but I am saying I disagree.

I am not one of these guys who over builds every job just to say how much better I am than the other guy, or to just cover my ass because I don't know the code.
That said, I do feel there are areas though were I feel code minimum is not good enough.

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