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Old 10-20-2010, 03:45 PM   #16
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Well the problem with going with the attitude of "go with whatever the contractor has to say" is that these guys will rip you off at every chance they can.
This is VERY broad, and bold, statement, and I take offense to it.

I was just having this conversation with someone today. Sure, there are some areas where a percentage of contractors will try and gouge, and a small percentage will even flat out rip you off. To say "....these guys will rip you off at every chance they can." is over dramatic and narrow minded.
I'm sure there are some bad guys, and maybe you have had some negative experiences, but do not lump all of us into the same boat. I regularly get compliments and thank you's on my pricing. And I rarely have anyone question it.


BTW, I typically get $2100 (plus inspection) for a basic 200A service UPGRADE, not just a panel change. So the $1350 to change the panel is about right, but it is not a service upgrade from 100A to 200A.
$1500 to do the other work is a steal as Jbfan said. It is also WAY to broad. "As needed"? What does that mean? And how can you give a firm price on open ended work???

If you asked me to break down the $2100 for the service upgrade I would simply say it is $2100. There is nothing to break down.

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If you asked me to break down the $2100 for the service upgrade I would simply say it is $2100. There is nothing to break down.
Then you wouldn't get my business.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:03 PM   #18
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BTW, I typically get $2100 (plus inspection) for a basic 200A service UPGRADE, not just a panel change. So the $1350 to change the panel is about right, but it is not a service upgrade from 100A to 200A.
Speedy, can you clarify this for me? If one is installing a 200A panel (replacing a 100A panel) how is it "not a service upgrade from 100A to 200A"?

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Old 10-20-2010, 04:49 PM   #19
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basicly the service is what comes from the power co.not what the panel is.when you upgrade from a 100A panel to a 200A panel,the power co should evaluate thier service and sieze accordingly.
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:29 PM   #20
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basicly the service is what comes from the power co.not what the panel is.when you upgrade from a 100A panel to a 200A panel,the power co should evaluate thier service and sieze accordingly.
Well here, from my understanding, our POCO generally waits for burn-off because they look at it like many customers may have 200 amp panels, but aren't running more than 100 or whatever. I really don't know what the overheads from POCO are rated at; I'd like to find out.

But to Speedy's comment, if he's going to install a 200A panel, it would only make sense that he also upgrades the SE from the POCO's drop to the meter, and from meter to the Panel.
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Old 10-20-2010, 06:55 PM   #21
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Then you wouldn't get my business.
And I am absolutely fine with this.

Ask any plumber to "break down" his price on replacing a boiler and you'll get the same reply as mine.

Good luck having handymen and fly-by-nighters working for you. Don't forget to calla professional when things go wrong, and they will go wrong.
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Old 10-20-2010, 06:58 PM   #22
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But to Speedy's comment, if he's going to install a 200A panel, it would only make sense that he also upgrades the SE from the POCO's drop to the meter, and from meter to the Panel.
This is a dangerous assumption.

If the quote says "replace panel" then that is what it is. A panel replacement.

If it says "upgrade service" then it is a service upgrade which includes everything from the taps at the service drop on down. Riser, meter pan, service entrance cable, panel, grounding and bonding.
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This is a dangerous assumption.

If the quote says "replace panel" then that is what it is. A panel replacement.

If it says "upgrade service" then it is a service upgrade which includes everything from the taps at the service drop on down. Riser, meter pan, service entrance cable, panel, grounding and bonding.
LOL. Speedy, I'm not laughing at you; I'm laughin at my apparent ignorance. It's just that are you saying you would charge $2000+ for simply installing a service panel, and go on to say that you wouldn't make sure that it's a safe installation by making sure that the wire from the meter, and the meter base itself is 200A capable?

Please don't take my questions as anything other than desiring to gain knowledge. Apparently you know something I don't.

So, you would be willing to place a 200A panel and connect it to a 100A (or even a 60A) SE cable?
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Then you wouldn't get my business.
One other point. I want to you to promise me, next time you go into Target, McDonald's, walmart, or your favorite fancy restaurant, you MUST ask them to break down their prices. You need to find out what the raw materials cost, labor, and profit margin.
If you are going to do this for every contractor that works for you then you obviously are going to do it at a retail store, right?
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LOL. Speedy, I'm not laughing at you; I'm laughin at my apparent ignorance. It's just that are you saying you would charge $2000+ for simply installing a service panel, and go on to say that you wouldn't make sure that it's a safe installation by making sure that the wire from the meter, and the meter base itself is 200A capable?
No, I am absolutely not saying that nor did I imply it. I was stating that someone might. There is a distinct difference between a service upgrade and a panel change.
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So, you would be willing to place a 200A panel and connect it to a 100A (or even a 60A) SE cable?
No, I wouldn't, but someone might.
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BTW, I typically get $2100 (plus inspection) for a basic 200A service UPGRADE, not just a panel change. So the $1350 to change the panel is about right, but it is not a service upgrade from 100A to 200A.

$1500 to do the other work is a steal as Jbfan said. It is also WAY to broad. "As needed"? What does that mean? And how can you give a firm price on open ended work???
Wait a minute now, I misquoted you, and I apologize. You said $2100 for a basic service UPGRADE. Now I understand.

BUT, does this price include material?
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BUT, does this price include material?
Complete with new taps onto the utility drop.
Everything but the inspection.
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Sounds like a good deal!
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Old 10-20-2010, 08:39 PM   #29
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If you asked me to break down the $2100 for the service upgrade I would simply say it is $2100. There is nothing to break down.
I'm with Petey on this.
If you contacted me to give a price on a service upgrade, you get a complete price.

I will not break my prices down.
I will give a complete quote, and it is what it is.
I know what it takes to stay in business and I know what I need to make a profit, otherwise it might as well be a hobby!

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