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Old 03-06-2008, 08:45 PM   #16
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It may be a good idea to verify what the 2 seperate hot conductors go to, just to make sure its not both the SABC for a kitchen, or 1 of the SABC and something like a bathroom. If it were me, I would check on that just to put any suspicions to bed.

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Did this get addressed before or are there still ground wires in the neutral bus? If so, I'd take them out and get a properly installed ground bus.
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Did this get addressed before or are there still ground wires in the neutral bus? If so, I'd take them out and get a properly installed ground bus.

Aren't some panels allowed to have the neutrals and grounds land on the same bar - as long as its not a sub panel where they are seperated?
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Did this get addressed before or are there still ground wires in the neutral bus? If so, I'd take them out and get a properly installed ground bus.
This is his main panel goose. No problem with grounds on the combined ground/neutral bus. And I don't see a problem with a couple wire nuts either as the OP described them.
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I'm not saying that it is or isn't code or UL listed for two wires. I tried it once before, putting two wires under the same binding screw, and didn't like how they tightened up. It seemed to me that one wire will usually tighten better than the other. I can get two wires and a pigtail under a wirenut much tighter and feel better about the connection than I can under one screw. I have repaced several panels that caught on fire because of loose connections.

I know of some electricians that will put two wires under the same screw but they also push wires in the back of switches without wrapping them around the screw, use stack-ons instead of greenies, and doesn't pay attention to the switch that says no and ffo instead of on and off.
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I'm not saying that it is or isn't code or UL listed for two wires. I tried it once before, putting two wires under the same binding screw, and didn't like how they tightened up. It seemed to me that one wire will usually tighten better than the other. I can get two wires and a pigtail under a wirenut much tighter and feel better about the connection than I can under one screw. I have repaced several panels that caught on fire because of loose connections.

I know of some electricians that will put two wires under the same screw but they also push wires in the back of switches without wrapping them around the screw, use stack-ons instead of greenies, and doesn't pay attention to the switch that says no and ffo instead of on and off.
What is a stack-on?
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What is a stack-on?
The crimp sleeves you see on ground wires in residential construction. I believe it is spelled "stay-con". It's a brand name.

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you may be able to add a tandem breaker if the panel is rated for it (IT prolly is being GE) and you dont exceed the max # of ckts allowed.
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and doesn't pay attention to the switch that says no and ffo instead of on and off.
I just thought those switches that said no and ffo were some cheap foreign brand
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The crimp sleeves you see on ground wires in residential construction. I believe it is spelled "stay-con". It's a brand name.

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So are you saying you don't liek them AT ALL, or you don't like them outside of a residential setting? I see them used all the time. I prefer them myself.
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Interesting. I know a lot of electricians who would dispute putting sta-cons in the list of hack work. But everyone has their own thing. I don't backstab but UL and the NEC have no problem at all with it, and thousands of electricians do it every day.
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Interesting. I know a lot of electricians who would dispute putting sta-cons in the list of hack work. But everyone has their own thing. I don't backstab but UL and the NEC have no problem at all with it, and thousands of electricians do it every day.
I agree. It is a matter of preference. Fred likes them, Jim doesn't. Just because Fred does like them, doesn't make them the only ones to use, and just because Jim doesn't like them doesn't make them not good either.
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STAY-CONS are fine. I just hate having to carry around another tool in my tool belt to crimp them. I prefer the greenies mainly because of that reason alone.

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