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Old 07-31-2013, 10:28 PM   #31
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OTOH, my house is for sale. First sale failed at inspection because work done in 1982 didn't meet current code, and I wasn't about to pay to have the house rewired for no particular reason. So results aren't uniform.
I don't understand how it could fail because work done in 1982 didn't meet the current code. As long as it met the codes in effect when it was completed it's still code compliant! It wouldn't thus be a reason to void the contract or demand work to be completed. If that is what cost you the sale you might want to discuss it with a lawyer.

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...new romex is required to have the date stamped on it therefore you cannot pull the "its 5 years old"....
ha ha maybe there's a black market way to buy undated wire Possible new business opportunity for someone there....
I still have putty color (not yellow) 12-gauge Romex from when I built the garage in '99. Ebay?

What I wanted to post - back in 2000 or 2001, my parents hired a contractor to put an addition on their house. The contractor must not have been a licensed plumber because he had my dad do all the plumbing. My dad had to purchase the materials, haul them in my dad's car, and do all the work. Doug (the contractor) wouldn't touch anything or help my dad (I helped a few days), but Doug did tell my dad if he was doing something wrong. As far as I know, the plumbing was inspected - or at least the inspector made some comments about the soldering job.

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I found another guy who works $40-50/hr., he comes well recommended from a very reputable friend, has 12 yrs. experience, is working toward the education credit hours requirement to get his journeyman. I plan to have him help/show me the right way to do some of the trickier/higher risk stuff, and the rest I will do on my own and have him take a look at.
This approach doesn't seem as "legal" because you hired someone to do electric work and then you are doing some too. When I built my garage, I had two electric permits. One was for the electrician who upgraded the house from 100 amp to 200 amp service, ran the wire to the garage, installed the subpanel, and wired one outlet. Then I had a permit for the work I did (the rest of the garage wiring).

BTW, I'm in Indiana.
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Yea some things get'grandfathered' in..still accepted 'even though it can't be done that way today..
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I don't understand how it could fail because work done in 1982 didn't meet the current code. As long as it met the codes in effect when it was completed it's still code compliant! It wouldn't thus be a reason to void the contract or demand work to be completed. If that is what cost you the sale you might want to discuss it with a lawyer.
Sorry, I phrased that poorly. It failed the buyer's inspection, not the town's, they wanted me to pay to bring everything up to current code; all while paying me about 40% of a new house would cost.
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Home inspection items are a negotiating point, not an enforceable code issue. They may point out issues, but it is up to the buyer and seller to reach an agreement on what if any will be addressed. Homeowneres need to realize they are buying an older home that does not and will not have all the latest bells, and whistles or code compliance.
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Home inspection items are a negotiating point, not an enforceable code issue. They may point out issues, but it is up to the buyer and seller to reach an agreement on what if any will be addressed. Homeowneres need to realize they are buying an older home that does not and will not have all the latest bells, and whistles or code compliance.
GFCI's or lack there of is the number one reason I get calls from a seller because the inspector makes a huge deal about it. 99 times out of 100 it's in a house that was built well before the requirement.
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GFCI's or lack there of is the number one reason I get calls from a seller because the inspector makes a huge deal about it. 99 times out of 100 it's in a house that was built well before the requirement.
well knowing what I know now, im surprised my home inspector (when I bought the house that is) did not point out the lack of AFCI circuit breakers. There are only two, and while they cover 2 of the bedrooms and the den, there is a 3rd bedroom and living room that are not covered by such a breaker ( and I don't think the first outlet/box on the circuit has BX or such cable running to it with a grounded metal box to circumvent the AFCI breaker requirement). I may end up swapping out those two breakers (the ordinary ones) for AFCI breakers after I do a little more looking.

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