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1488rob 03-09-2011 11:30 PM

outside RV outlet box to house flex ok?
 
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I am really confused reading the NEC handbook. i can find this answer. I need to get my 120v 30A RVoutlet next to my house project to code after screwing up asking phone questions to inspector..gave up my address ooops.

I have a waterproofbox that sits the cord and protects it but the problen is ..its so tight i need to run it out conduit through top hole than back hole so i cant attch direct to house without headache. SO i have watertight notmetallic conduit about 4 feet bushing into box. which I want so secure to galv fence pole and a plywood. THEN run the conduit though wall of house THEN it it just romex stapled up into ceileing and dropping though breakerbox.

Someone told me i cant just run the conduit into the house and end it there..it has to go all the way to breaker. doesnt make sense to me..its not metali..i could put a bushing on. the whole purpose of that conduit is to keep the indoors 10/2 wire protected and waterproof. Once it gets intohouse what needs to be done from there. the box will be appros 18" from wall of house..need answers soon bfore insector looks
thanks

this house is not finished..it was a extension to mobile home then i tore out moblie home so i can work around with plans..all i ineed is to get an external box not mounted to house into house wall

I really need help//i just sent a simple drawing of what i got..bad drawer the watertight grey flexible conduit is not with severe bends.. the point is whether this set up is legal. I really rather do this then try to screw to the stucco. I dont know if i have a plug big enough to gothrough the stuccoand board. I dont want to cut a panel hole..the other side will be bathroom
PLEEASE HELP!

Saturday Cowboy 03-10-2011 03:57 AM

two points

yes you are correct that if using conduit to sleeve cable you may use a bushing with out running pipe all the way

two romex is not code in any pipe(or without) outside.

so you will have to use pipe all the way in order to use THWN OR
put a jbox somewhere(accessible) and transition to romex inside

1488rob 03-10-2011 10:55 AM

So what I can do it mount box to house? wast sucks is iwas told i could use romex outside in pipe..I know that romex has got provisoins for residential where commercial cant use it..it is just unclear...no w i am even more confused. I am thinking I would be better off having the inspector say nono and fix it setting up on house so atleast i have the hole right

Jim Port 03-10-2011 11:04 AM

Type Nm cable can be run in a conduit for physical protection. It cannot be used outside, even if in a conduit. Type UF is an exterior rated non-metallic cable like NM.

J. V. 03-10-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 1488rob (Post 606665)
So what I can do it mount box to house? wast sucks is iwas told i could use romex outside in pipe..I know that romex has got provisoins for residential where commercial cant use it..it is just unclear...no w i am even more confused. I am thinking I would be better off having the inspector say nono and fix it setting up on house so atleast i have the hole right

No Romex outside in conduit. UF cable yes. You can run Romex from the panel inside into the back of the box mounted to the outside wall. But thats as far as you can go with Romex.

Then you can use flex to go to the equipment. No Romex in the flex either. UF or THWN individual wires.

Hope that makes sense.

HouseHelper 03-10-2011 11:12 AM

Or just use 10/2 UF from the panel to the exterior box, no transition to NM necessary.

Saturday Cowboy 03-10-2011 08:36 PM

good point

LyonsElecSupply 03-11-2011 12:56 AM

I thought that if you used Liqui tite or PVC the inside of the conduit was considered dry unless it is buried, at which point is becomes wet...........

If this is true then NM can be used inside of it....

1488rob 03-11-2011 02:27 AM

the electric supply guy showed me how all I had to do was put a nipple in the box and run through the wall and cut the sheathing right when it enters the nipple PERFEct! I did have to get a 2" nipple..the 1.5 didnt quite make it. The only reason i was wanting the box was so i didnt have to cut a bigass hole in my wall. The tough part was squeezing 6" of solid 10ga back in box. that 30amp receptacle doesnt leave ANY room..now I will have to get it back in after the inspector looks..ARRRGH.
thanks for all the replies!

Jim Port 03-11-2011 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 1488rob (Post 607135)
the electric supply guy showed me how all I had to do was put a nipple in the box and run through the wall and cut the sheathing right when it enters the nipple PERFEct! I did have to get a 2" nipple..the 1.5 didnt quite make it. The only reason i was wanting the box was so i didnt have to cut a bigass hole in my wall. The tough part was squeezing 6" of solid 10ga back in box. that 30amp receptacle doesnt leave ANY room..now I will have to get it back in after the inspector looks..ARRRGH.
thanks for all the replies!

The guy at the supply house told you to do something that was against code. Sorry to see that you would not listen to the advice of the professionals on this board.

Jim Port 03-11-2011 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LyonsElecSupply (Post 607127)
I thought that if you used Liqui tite or PVC the inside of the conduit was considered dry unless it is buried, at which point is becomes wet...........

If this is true then NM can be used inside of it....

The inside of a conduit outside is considered a wet area. NM is prohibited from use in wet or damp areas. 334.12(B)(4).

J. V. 03-11-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LyonsElecSupply (Post 607127)
I thought that if you used Liqui tite or PVC the inside of the conduit was considered dry unless it is buried, at which point is becomes wet...........

If this is true then NM can be used inside of it....

It's not true.

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 607181)
The inside of a conduit outside is considered a wet area. NM is prohibited from use in wet or damp areas. 334.12(B)(4).

This is true.

nap 03-11-2011 11:15 AM

rob

You cannot strip the sheathing from the NM and use the wires as individual conductors. You need to either use UF cable or THWN. If using THWN, you will need conduit wherever you use it. If using UF, it is considered direct burial but you will need conduit where it is susceptible to damage (basically anything above ground outside should be in conduit (in your situation) as a lawnmower could throw sticks or rocks and damage the cable.

If you want to run conduit completely outside (if using UF) you can bore a hole for the conduit to enter the house and put a bell end on the conduit and then simply continue the open cable to the panel.

If you use THWN outside (in conduit of course), you can run a conduit through the wall and install a box inside where you can convert to NM cable or you can run conduit and THWN all the way to the panel.

Just remember to seal the conduit where it goes through the wall or if using a complete run of conduit (from panel to receptacle box) seal it where it enters the panel.

It is was me, I would do use the second method. It will allow you to use smaller conduit (save money) and the wire is less per foot as well. Inside I would probably continue the conduit and THWN. That would save you from buying that little bit of NM.

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The tough part was squeezing 6" of solid 10ga back in box. that 30amp receptacle doesnt leave ANY room.
are you sure the box is large enough? There are requirements for the minimum size box you can use.

oleguy74 03-11-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by J. V. (Post 607271)
It's not true.



This is true.

you can run nm in a short nipple to transition from inside to out.in fact when nm is used to run power to kit island,it goes in conduit.it is done all the time.read 334.15(b)

nap 03-11-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by oleguy74 (Post 607304)
you can run nm in a short nipple to transition from inside to out.in fact when nm is used to run power to kit island,it goes in conduit.it is done all the time.read 334.15(b)

I think the concern was it was in regards to outside use.


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