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Old 02-23-2009, 10:25 PM   #1
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HI;

On the dining side of the kitchen, I will have a counter that runs right below the window. There is not enough room on either side of the window for an outlet, because one side is next to a wall and the other side in next to the fridge. The room between the counter any the window is very minimal and is not enough for a outlet.

I will put a outlet in the wall, but it will be a 7' long counter before it meets up with the fridge.

Do you think I should consider some type of in cabinet outlet?

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HI;

On the dining side of the kitchen, I will have a counter that runs right below the window. There is not enough room on either side of the window for an outlet, because one side is next to a wall and the other side in next to the fridge. The room between the counter any the window is very minimal and is not enough for a outlet.

I will put a outlet in the wall, but it will be a 7' long counter before it meets up with the fridge.

Do you think I should consider some type of in cabinet outlet?

Thanks
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Can you cut a receptacle into the front of the cabinet?

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I am all in favor of doing work to code. Let's hear it for those guys at the NEC [clap clap clap].

That being said. I will end up mounting a rec in the floor, underneath a radiator, where no one will ever conceivably use it (or see it for that matter), but it will meet code.

What about above the windows?
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Can you cut a receptacle into the front of the cabinet?
Yes, I was kind of thinking that might be what I need to do. We are building all oak cabinets for the kitchen, so I can design them to have an outlet anywhere. If I go that route, I was just trying to picture in my mind how to make the outlet look decent on the oak cabinets.

Since this is the dining area, just the 6' rule would apply to this counter top, correct? So perhaps just adding one outlet towards the middle would work well?

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I am all in favor of doing work to code. Let's hear it for those guys at the NEC [clap clap clap].

That being said. I will end up mounting a rec in the floor, underneath a radiator, where no one will ever conceivably use it (or see it for that matter), but it will meet code.

What about above the windows?
:-) I did think of above for a moment, then realized I am building a sofit box there. Plus you'd need a step stool to reach it.

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This is a kitchen counter correct? You need your required receptacles...

Plug Mold here we come!!!! Jamie, you better review sections 210.52 (C) 1-5

Exception to (5): To comply with the conditions specified in (1) or (2), receptacle outlets
shall be permitted to be mounted not more than 300 mm (12 in.) below the countertop.
Receptacles mounted below a countertop in accordance with this exception shall not be
located where the countertop extends more than 150 mm (6 in.) beyond its support base.

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I am all in favor of doing work to code. Let's hear it for those guys at the NEC [clap clap clap].

That being said. I will end up mounting a rec in the floor, underneath a radiator, where no one will ever conceivably use it (or see it for that matter), but it will meet code.

What about above the windows?
It will not meet code.. You need to have your kitchen receptacles above the counter and not more than 20" above the counter.

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Since this is the dining area, just the 6' rule would apply to this counter top, correct? So perhaps just adding one outlet towards the middle would work well?
210.52(c) says countertops in kitchens, pantries, breakfast rooms, dining rooms and similar areas... (2008 NEC) or ... in kitchens and dining rooms of dwelling units... (2005 NEC) So for code it would need to follow 2' rule.

Have you thought about a pendant receptacle that you can hang up out of the way when you don't need it.
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This is a kitchen counter correct? You need your required receptacles...

Plug Mold here we come!!!! Jamie, you better review sections 210.52 (C) 1-5

Exception to (5): To comply with the conditions specified in (1) or (2), receptacle outlets
shall be permitted to be mounted not more than 300 mm (12 in.) below the countertop.
Receptacles mounted below a countertop in accordance with this exception shall not be
located where the countertop extends more than 150 mm (6 in.) beyond its support base.
What is Plug Mold? This is the dining side of the kitchen, I am not clear on where the distinction is made between counter that require receptacles at 24" and areas that don't.

This part of the kitchen has always had a table in it, and was for dining, not food prep. I am adding the cabinets / counter so I have the cabinet space, and the counter top is really to put plants on, but I want it to be up to code.

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Since this is the dining area, just the 6' rule would apply to this counter top, correct? So perhaps just adding one outlet towards the middle would work well?

Thank You,
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Its actually the 2' rule in this instance.

Read through 210.52,all the info you need.


Installing the receptacles in the face of the cabinet is a good option if they are custom, you would need the spacing of them so that no point along the wall line is more than 24" and the receptacles cannot be lower than 12" from the countertop.

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Its actually the 2' rule in this instance.

Read through 210.52,all the info you need.


Installing the receptacles in the face of the cabinet is a good option if they are custom, you would need the spacing of them so that no point along the wall line is more than 24" and the receptacles cannot be lower than 12" from the countertop.
That means my only option is to install below the counter in the cabinet. I guess this means I can't make a overhang on this counter top.

Thanks, I didn't realize this would be counted as appliance (counter top recp.) space with the 24" rule, but now I see that it is.

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Can you build some sort of box/panel/cube thing that would sit on top of the counter that would butt up against the bottom of the window? Like a "step" up to the window. If it ran the length of the counter you could put 2 or 3 outlets on this box and run all the wires behind it. You could stain it to match the cabinet color or your window trim color.
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Can you build some sort of box/panel/cube thing that would sit on top of the counter that would butt up against the bottom of the window? Like a "step" up to the window. If it ran the length of the counter you could put 2 or 3 outlets on this box and run all the wires behind it. You could stain it to match the cabinet color or your window trim color.
HI

Actually I like that idea. I would have to have the counter at a lower height though to all for room, the counter at 36" is just tight to the window sill. But if I ran it at 32" I could put a box like that there. Or might be even able to get some into the wall if I did drop it 4".

I'll have to consider that option as well.

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If you make the box wide enough you can throw some nice trim on it and use it as a decorative shelf or plant stand.

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