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Old 01-24-2013, 12:02 PM   #31
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Didn't know term 'back stabbing' so...:

http://www.inspectionnews.net/home_i...-stabbing.html

So, if I get it, if a receptacle has both screw connections and the quicker hole inserts, instead of pigtailing with capscrews, using both methods to continue run to next receptacle. And, if the pushed in wire becomes lose, there's the high resistance?


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Old 01-24-2013, 01:45 PM   #32
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The landlord is having a guy come tonight at 8:30 so probably one of those 24 hr guys..hopefully he finds whats up and fixes all...thanks again for everyone's comments, suggestions and insights...much appreciated.

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Old 01-24-2013, 01:58 PM   #33
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Please let us know what the cause was when they find it. I would say backstabbed too because we have been replacing our receptacles in our home with new Pass & Seymour with screw only because all the old ones were the cheap back stabbed only receptacles.
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:41 PM   #34
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Call the landlord, tell them you want a licensed electrician over - NOW.

If they so much as hesitate, call your fire department and tell them you smell smoke and that the outlet melted.

It'll ruin the landlords day.

Calling the fire department for something that is not really burning is a crime. All he has to do is contact the landlord and let him decide how it will be fixed.

Why do you want to "ruin the landlord's day"?
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Calling the fire department for something that is not really burning is a crime. All he has to do is contact the landlord and let him decide how it will be fixed.
It is not a crime if you call the non-emergency number. You are reporting a problem that needs to be investigated.

Even if he had called the emergency number - he smelled smoke and has a burnt outlet. It was a reasonable precaution. You don't want a fire smoldering inside a wall now don't you?

I've been a volunteer firefighter/emt for 12 years. I've answered these calls. We wouldn't dispatch a fire truck usually just the chief or deputy.

ANY landlord that doesn't immediately respond to a potential life threatening danger deserves to have "their day" ruined.
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Calling the fire department for something that is not really burning is a crime. All he has to do is contact the landlord and let him decide how it will be fixed.

Why do you want to "ruin the landlord's day"?
* Thank you...that's why I checked on here first before acting impulsively and phoning and stirring up trouble. It did burn and melt yes and hopefully getting fixed.. but ya I don't want to create havoc or drama as I love this place I am in, very funky, old architecture..cool hip and fresh all rolled into one.
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* Thank you...that's why I checked on here first before acting impulsively and phoning and stirring up trouble. It did burn and melt yes and hopefully getting fixed.. but ya I don't want to create havoc or drama as I love this place I am in, very funky, old architecture..cool hip and fresh all rolled into one.
Kwak, first off, I did suggest that you call the landlord. But you didn't want to because "I ended up not phoning when this one happened due to the fact of the riga-moroll it took to get her to fix the initial one."

How else are you going to get it addressed?

What do you guys think the fire department is for? Worst case they'd have shut off power to the building and called the wiring inspector. At least they can scan the wall with an IR camera to see if there is a situation brewing. This isn't a private residence.

Think about what might have gone wrong. Are there other tenants? What if there was a fire? Would you say sorry because "you don't want to create havoc when there is an electrical fire in very funky, old architecture..cool hip"...FIRE TRAP.

Come on guys.
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Calling the fire department for something that is not really burning is a crime.

Lets all take a deep breath and relax a minute, this has gone from an "outlet meltdown" to a "thread meltdown....."

Referring back to the original post by Kwak1980, our user friend was simply asking for suggestions and a possible explaination to the cause.

Everyone has, and is entitled to their own opinion.

The fact of the matter is, whether the cause was "backstabbing", "overloading", ect.. it is a serious issue and could have had caused serious if not fatal results. We, as I feel safe to speak for most of us, are certainly greatful that nothing of the such happened. Kwak1980 is aware of the problem, the landlord has responded indicating he/she knows its a serious problem, and the problem will most likely be corrected or isolated tonight.
The only mystery is why it happened and hopefully we will get some feedback from Kwak1980 later.

Thanks for sharing your "outlet meltdown" with us, as we eagerly await the results of cause, if it can be determined.

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I've been a volunteer firefighter/emt for 12 years. I've answered these calls. We wouldn't dispatch a fire truck usually just the chief or deputy.
Thanks AandPDan! We would have had an Engine, Ladder, and Squad dispatched had the call originated here!!! lol (with a medic on stand-by)

And if I may ask, is the AandP aviation related? Just wondering!
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Thanks AandPDan! We would have had an Engine, Ladder, and Squad dispatched had the call originated here!!! lol (with a medic on stand-by)

And if I may ask, is the AandP aviation related? Just wondering!
Agreed, deep breath time. All departments handle things differently.

Yes, in regards to aviation. I've worked for a variety of Part 121 and 135 carriers for over 25 years.
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Yes, in regards to aviation. I've worked for a variety of Part 121 and 135 carriers for over 25 years.

Awesome! I went the student pilot/pilot route FAR Part 141

I see from time to time a local FBO around here as ads for A&P Apprentice, and I've always thought....man I would work for free just to be around and learn how to work on them!!
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ANY landlord that doesn't immediately respond to a potential life threatening danger deserves to have "their day" ruined.
It sounds to me that the landlord did his job and all is well.


Before you ask....yes I am a landlord.
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Ok it is fixed. The electrician was Asian, most likely a friend of the landlord's. So from what I could gather and understand is ya it was overloading old style outlets and wiring. I can use my space heater off the stove outlet as it has 1000 watts I think he said but never two things out of the same outlet circuit. Thank you again for support and info...sorry I didn't know what steps to take...thanks again...

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but never two things out of the same outlet circuit.
Never two space heaters, but you could plug in as many things as you want, as long as you don't exceed 15A total.
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"Fixed", how? Did the receptacle get replaced? "Old style" outlets and circuits
are no more subject to overloading than new ones - sometimes the very opposite is true. Sounds like more FUD from a non-electrician working for a
landlord who just doesn't want to bear the expense of providing adequate
and safe electrical systems in their rental units.

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