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bryanp22 06-01-2013 11:14 AM

We had to get a replacement gas stove as the old one died. The old stove always stuck out a little because the outlet was up the middle of the wall. The new stove doesn't seem to have the back recessed as much and now it probably sticks out and inch where before it was probably about a half inch. Where is a outlet installed for a gas stove normally? Does it have to be a certain distance away from the gas inlet? It seems like it should be quite a but lower on the wall and just be a few inches above the floor. Is that the normal install location?

Kyle_in_rure 06-01-2013 11:21 AM

Is this just a regular 120 volt outlet like what is common throughout your house?

bryanp22 06-01-2013 11:23 AM

Yeah it's just a standard outlet.

bryanp22 06-01-2013 11:36 AM

I found the locations in the manual. It should be no higher than 11" 3/32 off the ground.

sublime2 06-01-2013 01:15 PM

If you need it lower, make the box you have now a junction box and extend the line to where you need it with an old work box.
Determine the new location, cut the hole for the old work box, kill power to outlet, remove outlet, fish new wire through box and down to new location.

MTN REMODEL LLC 06-01-2013 02:27 PM

Sublime probably has the easiest/ best solution... but you do have the option of using a "recessed receptical and box.... they are $5 at any big box store... assumes your framing is normal.

bryanp22 06-03-2013 09:36 PM

Okay tried the recessed outlet. I have bx wire to that outlet box and the outlet won't fit so I guess I have to add a new outlet box below and change the current box into the junction box. I know the box acts as the ground for bx wire. So for the ground on the 12-2 romex do I just attach it to the metal box the bx wire is in?

MTN REMODEL LLC 06-03-2013 10:35 PM

First... Do you have a BX ground with a ground wire embedded in the Bx cable.

Do you have no bare ground wire in your receptical box... some guys just jacket /sleeve coming out of the wall

How old is your home... is it an ungrounded system... or do ya know if your bx is grounded.

You did not mention any of this in your first post... but we can figure it out.

bryanp22 06-03-2013 10:38 PM

I don't see a ground wire at all in the box.It is a grounded system. When I plug in my outlet tester it shows its grounded. I was told the outer casing of the bx is the ground and that is why metal boxes were used. Is this correct?

Speedy Petey 06-03-2013 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanp22 (Post 1194727)
I don't see a ground wire at all in the box.It is a grounded system. When I plug in my outlet tester it shows its grounded. I was told the outer casing of the bx is the ground and that is why metal boxes were used. Is this correct?

Sometimes, not nearly always. A plug-in tester is NOT a good indication of a valid ground.

How old is the house?

Speedy Petey 06-03-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanp22 (Post 1192614)
I found the locations in the manual. It should be no higher than 11" 3/32 off the ground.

That is for this particular range. There is NO standard.

bryanp22 06-03-2013 10:50 PM

House is from late 1940s to early 1950s. My system is grounded to the water supply.

MTN REMODEL LLC 06-03-2013 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanp22 (Post 1194740)
House is from late 1940s to early 1950s. My system is grounded to the water supply.

Bry... Oh boy, this is a little more complicated to do to code... and no one here really wants to recommend anthing that is not code. (It's not necessarily more expensive, but just requires more info.... I think we assumed you had a grounded Romex system).

Do you have a MM tester.

You said you were grounded to yourplumbing... do you know if your grounding (thru BX) is grounded all the way back to your main?

Do you have a 3 prong or two prong recep.

If you test your hot to the metal box or the BX, do you get a nice clean 120V reading.

Depending on your answers, might have additional questions

bryanp22 06-03-2013 11:31 PM

It's 3 prong. Ill have to check the voltage tomorrow. I have a multi meter but it needs a battery it seems. So if its 120 what does that mean? Would I get around the ground issue by using a gfci? And just not connect the ground in the romex? I have no idea about grounded back to the main. I see the ground connected to the supply line with a bridge around the water meter. Beyond that it goes into the concrete.

Speedy Petey 06-04-2013 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bryanp22 (Post 1194740)
House is from late 1940s to early 1950s. My system is grounded to the water supply.

This has nothing to do with the branch circuits. The bonding to the water piping serves a completely different purpose.

A house of that vintage most likely has non-grounding BX cable. Meaning the cable sheath IS NOT an equipment ground path.
Is there any way you can take a picture of the top of your panel where the cables enter?


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