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Old 02-12-2013, 05:02 PM   #1
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What are the requirements on installing a hot tub, spa, or similar type of small tub/pool type thing in New Jersey?

I've heard that it needs an outside disconnect. That it has to have a ground wire that is insulated so you can't use cable. And that it needs to be GFCI protected.

Are all of these things correct? Do they apply to all types of small outdoor tub/pools? Any other special needs for these?

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It has to comply with the 2011 NEC. Requires a permit and inspection. Check out the links in my signature for DIY in NJ.

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It has to comply with the 2011 NEC. Requires a permit and inspection. Check out the links in my signature for DIY in NJ.
I can't see the links in your posts, they are edited out because I am new here.

Do the links have anything about spa, hot tubs, etc?

You don't want to help me out with my questions?

You know that the NEC is a big book If you went to a car forum and asked how to do some type of work on a specific car, would you be happy with an answer of "There is a 1,500 page shop manual you could read to find out"?

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I can't see the links in your posts, they are edited out because I am new here.

Do the links have anything about spa, hot tubs, etc?

You don't want to help me out with my questions?

You know that the NEC is a big book If you went to a car forum and asked how to do some type of work on a specific car, would you be happy with an answer of "There is a 1,500 page shop manual you could read to find out"?
if you ask a fairly general question in a car forum thats what you will get.

do you have a make model of tub along with pictures of where its going and support plans along with your location and a listing of all local requirements as well?

i've seen electures to be a great assist for people in NJ in the past. i'd give him more specific info along with pics if i was asking him.
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if you ask a fairly general question in a car forum thats what you will get.
Did you read the opening post? I don't think I was being very general, there are a few direct questions.

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do you have a make model of tub along with pictures of where its going and support plans along with your location and a listing of all local requirements as well?
Again, did you read the opening post? Apparently not...
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i've seen electures to be a great assist for people in NJ in the past. i'd give him more specific info along with pics if i was asking him.
Yes, you must be right. Instead of answering direct questions, his telling me to comply with a huge book that even electrical scholars argue about is a great help.

Nevermind!
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I can't tell i you if you can do the work or not.
That's what electures was saying about diy work in new jersey.

You need a disconnect, it has to be gfci protected, you can run cable to the disconnect if allowed in your area, and the ground has to be insulated from the disconnect to the hot tube.

680 in the 2011 code book is very specific about the installation.
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When you apply for the permit you may need to provide a bunch of details including the manufactures specifications, installation instructions and spec sheet. So if you think electures was being short with you here is what one town in NJ requires you to submit in order to get your permits (not all towns are the same).

Building Permit - Spas & Hot Tubs
1. Submit two copies of manufacturers specifications for the hot tub or spa and two copies of manufacturer specifications that the safety locking cover complies with
ASTM F 1346 as required by IRC 2006 New Jersey Edition AG105.5.
2. According to New Jersey state law, N.J.A.C. 5:23-4.20(c)2.i.(2), please submit to this township a copy of your contract for construction cost so permit fees can be
determined.

Electrical Permit - In-ground or Above-ground Pools; Spas & Hot Tubs
1. Submit Electrical tech application completed.
2. Submit Plans showing wiring methods interior and outdoors, for all devices, fixtures and equipment.
3. Provide grounding and bonding requirements.
4. Provide sizes of all wire, cables conductors and electrical equipment.
5. Provide manufacture installation instructions and spec sheets. for all equipment, motors and fixtures.
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Did you read the opening post? I don't think I was being very general, there are a few direct questions.

Again, did you read the opening post? Apparently not...


Yes, you must be right. Instead of answering direct questions, his telling me to comply with a huge book that even electrical scholars argue about is a great help.

Nevermind!
You are asking us to give you all the specifics from the code book on a certain article. I agree with the others.
Sorry if this offends you, but you are not experienced enough. Us answering a couple of basic questions is not going to give you nearly the information you need to do this job. This is NOT a job where you want to get all the information you need piece meal off a message board. THINK about what this job entails, and what the application is!! Do you want to get it wrong when you family will be using this tub?????
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I can't see the links in your posts, they are edited out because I am new here.

Do the links have anything about spa, hot tubs, etc? No, they contain links related to performing electrical work in New Jersey.

You don't want to help me out with my questions? Incorrect. I am willing to help you help yourself. I spend countless hours on this and other forums helping complete strangers. Most people appreciate my help some don't. Before anyone can help you, we need more information. SUch as the model number and manufacturer of the equipment. DO you have any idea how you would like to proceed? WHat make is your breaker panel? Do you have any electrical experience at all?

You know that the NEC is a big book If you went to a car forum and asked how to do some type of work on a specific car, would you be happy with an answer of "There is a 1,500 page shop manual you could read to find out"?
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ALlow me to put this in perspective for you. You want to run electricity to a piece of equipment that holds a large amount of water. You and your family plan on spending a considerable amount of time in this electrified piece of equipment. My guess is that you have little or no experience performing electrical work, but you are willing to trust you and your familys lives to your electrical work. I am thoroughly knowledgable about the NEC and its requirements, but question yours.

I suggest you obtain a copy of the 2011 NEC and read Chapters 1 - 4 and Article 680. If you still think you want to attempt this, post your questions here and you may get some advice. We already have one amature here who refers to the NEC as "The Big Book", we do not need anymore.

My advise to you is to hire a licensed electrical contractor. Your family is worth every cent.
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ALlow me to put this in perspective for you. You want to run electricity to a piece of equipment that holds a large amount of water. You and your family plan on spending a considerable amount of time in this electrified piece of equipment. My guess is that you have little or no experience performing electrical work, but you are willing to trust you and your familys lives to your electrical work. I am thoroughly knowledgable about the NEC and its requirements, but question yours.

I suggest you obtain a copy of the 2011 NEC and read Chapters 1 - 4 and Article 680. If you still think you want to attempt this, post your questions here and you may get some advice. We already have one amature here who refers to the NEC as "The Big Book", we do not need anymore.

My advise to you is to hire a licensed electrical contractor. Your family is worth every cent.

I make it bold this is the best answer and I have done quite few hot tub installment in either Wisconsin and France and each one have it own codes to follow.

The Art 680 is very well written on hot tub useage and be aware if any local addmendent to the Art 680 so the Electrical Contractor will know this details very well.

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You know that the NEC is a big book If you went to a car forum and asked how to do some type of work on a specific car, would you be happy with an answer of "There is a 1,500 page shop manual you could read to find out"?
I'm sure the book on brain-surgery is a fairly large book also, but probably worth reading before you try DIY brain-surgery.

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