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msajeep 08-21-2007 10:57 PM

Outdoor receptacle
 
Hello I'm running a new line to my shed for outlets and adding a few outdoor outlets. My questions is, If I put in a GFi breaker in my subpanel that is outside, would I need to install GFI receptacles or can I just use regular indoor receptacles since I have the GFI breaker? Any help is appreciated.

Stubbie 08-22-2007 12:20 AM

If you have gfci at the panel (origin of the branch circuit) then no other gfci's are needed. You need a disconnect immediately after the circuit enters the shed (code requirement). In your case this will just be a simple toggle switch.

stubbie

wooderson 08-22-2007 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stubbie (Post 58918)
If you have gfci at the panel (origin of the branch circuit) then no other gfci's are needed. You need a disconnect immediately after the circuit enters the shed (code requirement). In your case this will just be a simple toggle switch.

stubbie

Only if there is more than one circuit

joed 08-22-2007 07:47 PM

You don't need a disconnect for only one circuit.

chris75 08-25-2007 08:43 AM

225.31 Disconnecting Means

Means shall be provided for disconnecting ALL ungrounded conductors that supply or pass through the building or structure.


In other words, you need a disconnect....

JohnJ0906 08-26-2007 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by joed (Post 59101)
You don't need a disconnect for only one circuit.

You do need a disconnect. What you DON'T need when a single circuit is the feed is a grounding electrode.

jbfan 08-27-2007 08:29 AM

The breaker that feeds the shed could be used as the required disconnect.

Stubbie 08-27-2007 01:02 PM

It is my understanding and training plus field work that a disconnect must be installed in the shed to shut off all power to the building. This disconnect must be immediately inside the shed at the entrance point of the branch circuit from the house. If you are using a multi-circuit panelboard in the garage and have no more than 6 breakers in the panel, these breakers may be used as the disconnecting means. More than 6 breakers, you must have a main breaker in the panelboard.
If you are running a single 15 or 20 ampere branch circuit from the house to feed lights and outlets, you may use a separate single-pole switch (such as a standard light switch) as the required disconnect because of the location requirements of 225.32 and provided for by the 225.36 exception. This switch must be the first device that is on the circuit once it enters the shed, and it may be used only as a disconnect, it cannot be used to control lights or other equipment. You also are required to mark this as the disconnect on the box cover.

This is my understanding and experience in the field, though I do see the breaker in the house panel as the disconnect quite often I believe this is not the intent of the NEC as the required disconnect.

Stubbie

chris75 08-27-2007 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jbfan (Post 59910)
The breaker that feeds the shed could be used as the required disconnect.

Absolutely not... 225.32 Location, The disconnecting means shall be installed either inside or outside of the building or structure being served or where the conductors pass through the building or structure. The disconnecting means shall be at a readily accessible location nearest the point of entrance of the conductors.

jbfan 08-28-2007 08:17 AM

I concede! I was thinking of exception #1:whistling2:

msajeep 08-28-2007 01:46 PM

The panel that feeds the 20 amp(12/2 wire) to the shed is about 60 feet from the shed and is mounted on the outside of my house near the hottub. So what you are saying is that I can NOT use this as the disconnect. I must install a standard switch inside the shed that is used as the disconnect? This would not be hard to do, but just want to make sure Im' doing it right.


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