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Old 04-30-2011, 01:32 PM   #1
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So I bought these to replace existing lamps: http://www.amazon.com/Royce-Lighting.../dp/B00138VTSA

Quick background: Just bought the house, wanted to update. Automatic garage door opener. When I opened the door (not main door, regular entry swinging door) I would hear a click and the outside light and main automatic light would go on. I took the left old light off, two (white) power wires touched and sparked. I obviously realized I didn't shut off the main power which is separate from the main house. I shut down the breakers. This side had two white and two black wires. The new kit also has a built in ground. I connected the one white (from the new unit) to both the white (from the garage existing wiring) and then the same thing with the black. I go to the other side, only one each (white and black) existing garage wiring. I wire them up (white to white / black to black). Turn power on, nothing. I hear the same clicking, but now the main light doesn't go on either, unless I hit the open or light button on the actual opener.

Today, I take them off, unscrew wire caps and disconnect. I hook the Fluke DMM and it is reading .566 - .667 Hz AC current. The breakers appear to be OK. Can anyone throw me some tips here? I know it's a long description, but I tried to be as accurate as possible.


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Anyone have any ideas?

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not sure what u are trying to tell us. Want to know that meter setting u r usiing when making measurements.
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Did you have motion sensor switch installed before ?? I think some case if sparked pretty hard sometime you can toasted the motion sensor { few will not take a surge or light to med short circuit at all }

Do not use the HZ scale just use the volt scale on your DVM and before you use it in the garage read it in the house first to verify it is reading correct then go in the garage and check it out and tell us what place you took the reading.

I will post a quick simple test.

Black to white -- what voltage ??

White to bare or green -- what voltage ??

Black to bare or green -- what voltage ??

Those will give us the answer what you are looking for.

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If the lights are controled via the garage door opener,
Then it is possable you have damaged some tracks on the board.
The clicking you are hearing is probably the relay clicking in.
But the power is probably not getting thru,
due to a damaged circuit board
probably blown tracks.
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If the lights are controled via the garage door opener,
Then it is possable you have damaged some tracks on the board.
The clicking you are hearing is probably the relay clicking in.
But the power is probably not getting thru,
due to a damaged circuit board
probably blown tracks.
How can I determine if it's bad? If so, how do I replace it?
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Did you have motion sensor switch installed before ?? I think some case if sparked pretty hard sometime you can toasted the motion sensor { few will not take a surge or light to med short circuit at all }

Do not use the HZ scale just use the volt scale on your DVM and before you use it in the garage read it in the house first to verify it is reading correct then go in the garage and check it out and tell us what place you took the reading.

I will post a quick simple test.

Black to white -- what voltage ??

White to bare or green -- what voltage ??

Black to bare or green -- what voltage ??

Those will give us the answer what you are looking for.

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Will do this, this afternoon and report back.
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Did you have motion sensor switch installed before ?? I think some case if sparked pretty hard sometime you can toasted the motion sensor { few will not take a surge or light to med short circuit at all }

Do not use the HZ scale just use the volt scale on your DVM and before you use it in the garage read it in the house first to verify it is reading correct then go in the garage and check it out and tell us what place you took the reading.

I will post a quick simple test.

Black to white -- what voltage ??

White to bare or green -- what voltage ??

Black to bare or green -- what voltage ??

Those will give us the answer what you are looking for.

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Yes, there is a motion sensor present.
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OK, well: The house has 122V.
The garage door opener has 122V. The motion sensor has 122V but even after changing light bulbs it still doesn't work, but seems to have power.
The light unit with two wires has .5xxV and one has 0V. I cannot find any relays or fuses anywhere.

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Garage door opener (unit)


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Have you checked for a circuit board in the motion detector part of the light fitting,
There will be either a relay or a triac in there that turns on the light.
Check this board for damage.
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Have you checked for a circuit board in the motion detector part of the light fitting,
There will be either a relay or a triac in there that turns on the light.
Check this board for damage.
Actually, I finally figured it out. It is the motion light. It's fried. I unplugged the wire for the outside lights from that (see pics) and plugged it directly into another outlet and they work. I have to pick up a new motion sensor tomorrow. Thanks for all your help.
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That is good and I was going to say motion sensor is bad after you posted the photo there.

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I do have one more question, if I want to bypass the photocell, Can I just cap one of the cell wires and tie the other into the main power wire?
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I would totally remove the circuit board,
and wire straight to lamp bases.
No extra wires to worry about or cause any probs.

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I do have one more question, if I want to bypass the photocell, Can I just cap one of the cell wires and tie the other into the main power wire?

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