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Old 09-01-2012, 03:40 AM   #46
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.....The package says you can use them on stranded wire.......
Tom, I do not see that.
The 'Product Description' for the IDEAL 10-Piece Push-In Wire Connectors says: Use on bare copper wire

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Old 09-01-2012, 07:25 AM   #47
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Tom, I do not see that.
The 'Product Description' for the IDEAL 10-Piece Push-In Wire Connectors says: Use on bare copper wire
That in itself would mean that you can use it on any type of bare copper wire, solid or stranded.

In the end, I wouldn't go with Home Depot's product description for anything.

If you check with the manufacturer you'll see that they list stranded wire, the sizes you can use, and even the strand count. Here is an example: http://www.idealindustries.com/media...h-in_32-34.pdf
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In the past, I have only used Wago's when they come on high hats and when a wire in the box was too short. But I started using these all the time:



The straight thru design works PERFECT when doing services/panel upgrades and you need to extend the branch circuit conductors.
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Old 09-01-2012, 07:43 AM   #49
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I have used the "Ideal" brand connectors for years with success. But--I have now found these connectors made by "WAGO" ( I am not affiliated with WAGO) and believe they are better than the Ideal for mainly these reasons: You lift the little orange part, insert your solid or stranded wiring, which does not need to be stripped, and close the little orange arm thingy. That simple. IF you need to remove any wiring you just lift that one orange arm thingy and the wiring is released. They are UL/FM approved. I first ran across these in an industrial setting where we would have to change machine components out often and started using them in my business.
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The packaging from Ideal should have a list of acceptable sizes and materials that can be used with these connectors.
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The packaging from Ideal should have a list of acceptable sizes and materials that can be used with these connectors.
I am looking at a package now and it does list stranded. It's pretty much the same as the link I posted above.
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The Ideal Push-in connectors do not list a use with stranded wire, unless tin banded.

http://www.idealindustries.com/media...e_brochure.pdf
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The Ideal Push-in connectors do not list a use with stranded wire, unless tin banded.

http://www.idealindustries.com/media...e_brochure.pdf
That PDF is from 2006 and the model numbers are different than what you can buy today.

If you check the link I posted above or look at the package of the current In-Sure push in wire connectors, you will see that they are rated for solid or stranded with no mention of them being tinned.
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That link was just copied from the Ideal website.
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That link was just copied from the Ideal website.
I understand, and as I said, the PDF you posted is 6 years old and those model connectors are not what you are buying today.

The normal 2, 3, and 4 port connectors that are on the shelf today are models 32, 33, and 34. You can view them here:

http://www.idealindustries.com/prodD...prodId=in-sure

Here is the PDF that I posted above that lists the connectors that you buy today: http://www.idealindustries.com/media...h-in_32-34.pdf

As you can see, there in no requirement for the conductors to be tinned.
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I understand, and as I said, the PDF you posted is 6 years old and those model connectors are not what you are buying today.

The normal 2, 3, and 4 port connectors that are on the shelf today are models 32, 33, and 34. You can view them here:

http://www.idealindustries.com/prodD...prodId=in-sure

Here is the PDF that I posted above that lists the connectors that you buy today: http://www.idealindustries.com/media...h-in_32-34.pdf

As you can see, there in no requirement for the conductors to be tinned.
NECHater.,

I did double check my European verison specs what you posted and they do listed in soild and stranded conductors however they will mention what size the soild et stranded if you want a link for it let me know however let me warn ya that my link if you request it, it will be in French unless I find UK verison it should be simair to it.

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I did double check my European verison specs what you posted and they do listed in soild and stranded conductors however they will mention what size the soild et stranded if you want a link for it let me know however let me warn ya that my link if you request it, it will be in French unless I find UK verison it should be simair to it.
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I don't use them exclusively but the ideal's and the Wago's are great products and are very easy and convenient to use. I often suggest them to DIYers for their projects due to their ease of use. Wire nuts are great but they're not a guaranteed good connection...Good installation of a conventional wire nut is reliant on good methods that many DIYers (and even the occasional electrician) do not necessarily employ.

Bigplanz thanks for introducing the topic and product. This is a forum for helping DIY ers - and you did.



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I like them, but only use the smaller versions for simple things like replacing fluorescent lighting ballasts and simple things of the sort where they don't see too much load.
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