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Old 04-21-2009, 10:03 AM   #16
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I DO!!!
i tape all the outlets to cover the screws inside the boxes too....
it just makes me feel better.....

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I will tape outlets and switches mot of the time, but I don't think its necessary for nuts.
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probably not, but tell that to my OCD/paranoid/schitzophrenic/schitzo-affective alter ego.....

i am not!!!! stop telling people that stuff...

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probably not, but tell that to my OCD/paranoid/schitzophrenic/schitzo-affective alter ego.....

i am not!!!! stop telling people that stuff...

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Old 04-21-2009, 03:18 PM   #20
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Ive been seeing these wire connectors more prevalant in Halo and other recessed can lights as well. We just cut them off and hard wire all our can lights.
Wow. I LOVE the connectors built into the cans. Wham bam.

I/we still use wire nuts but I am getting really tired of twisting the damn things. My hands get cramp after a while. If I did more new construction, I would probably make the switch. In remodel/rework, we are always adding/relocating things. Wirenuts are easily reversible for rework and testing. When they come up with a push in connector that has a mechanism to simply pop it off, I will use it.
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.....My hands get cramp after a while........
Same here. I've mostly switched to the Tan Ideals & tighten them up with a 5/16 nut driver.
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Same here. I've mostly switched to the Tan Ideals & tighten them up with a 5/16 nut driver.
Those are my favorite wire nuts, when I used to use wire nuts. I still have some around, and they work really well. The Ideals seem less bulky and hold three or more wires in less space, IMO. I got tired of cramming wirenuts into tight, overhead, 4 square boxes.
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I have seen a few of these in some recent installations. I even keep some of the 2-hole variety on hand for quick ballast changes. Real handy for that.

We have also used them to repair real short wires in an outlet box -- very useful for when the conductor breaks with little slack left to connect to your switch or outlet.

While some here believe that these are inferior to using wire-nuts, I can tell you that I have seen many cases where wire nuts failed and were melted or burned to a crisp.

OTOH, I have never seen any of these particular connectors burned out.

Time will tell, as they say.
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I don't use them all the time. Most times it is as KB stated, short wires that can't be made up with a wire nut.
I love them in can lights.
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While some here believe that these are inferior to using wire-nuts, I can tell you that I have seen many cases where wire nuts failed and were melted or burned to a crisp.

OTOH, I have never seen any of these particular connectors burned out.

Time will tell, as they say.
Right. Time will tell. With the ubiquity of the Internet I would think there would be plenty of examples of failed push-in connectors that could be found, if, in fact, they tend to fail. Do a search on "stab in receptacles" and you can find plenty of examples. Lots of pictures of melted wire nuts too, but usually the wire nut isn't defective, it was just installed incorrectly or was subject to an excessively high current. I know that push-in connectors are widely used. Las Vegas hotels are full of them, not to mention just about every single new single or multi-family residential development built in the last 5 years. I have heard gripes about them, suspicions raised about them, etc. but I have yet to see one single example of where one failed. If someone can post a link to a failure, please do so.

Oh, I forgot to add.... push-in connectors are great for connecting new THHN to old BX conductors. I do most of my work in old houses and I have come across some awful wiring. What I do is use a push-in, two hole connector to splice a piece of modern THHN to the old wire. Then I am working only with new, good wire, and not disturbing the old, frayed, falling apart wire made in, oh, 1947. Here is what I found in my house. I ended up replacing this completely.
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Ditto on the number of failed back-stabbed switches and receptacles. I have lost count of `em.

Slater was the worst offender, followed by the old P&S devices. The new P&S devices are much more improved, so do not lump those in with those old pieces of junk that used to be installed 20 years ago.
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Ditto on the number of failed back-stabbed switches and receptacles. I have lost count of `em.

Slater was the worst offender, followed by the old P&S devices. The new P&S devices are much more improved, so do not lump those in with those old pieces of junk that used to be installed 20 years ago.
The back stabbed devices today are supposedly much improved, and rated only for 14 gauge wire. I have never used back stabbing, and pay a little more for the back wired (screw down with side screws after pushing the wire in the back, like a GFCI). The back wired devices seem the best to me. Now THAT is a solid connection. I can't imagine it coming loose.
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Interesting thread. I too have been using the Ideal push ins for about two years, easy to use, and they seem pretty solid. But just to be sure, I always tape the connection, at least once around the Ideal push in and a couple times around the wires. Call me paranoid, but as in a previous post, I don't lose any sleep over having defense in depth on an electrical connection. And yes, I had a loose neutral due to a back stabbed plug, very unhappy experience, I still don't trust back stabbed outlets, even if they claim to be improved.
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Taping wire nuts serves no purpose whatsoever. I personally do not trust the push tabs. THE screws are better and tighter
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I remember in the 60's my grandfather teaching me to solder wiring in a jb because he did not trust wire nuts... and he was sure Romex was a fire hazard. Hmmm...

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