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Old 02-10-2014, 06:31 PM   #31
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One duplex receptacle split to be controlled by 2 switches


It isn't in either box yet. I can put a deeper box for more wires by the entrance switchbox on the right side with switch B, but I can bring it to either box if needed as the circuit panel is in this room and I can run a line to either box easily.

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If you run 14/4 to the switch box by the outside door, you'll have a hot, neutral, and 2 travelers - everything you need to have a switch for that outdoor light. But do not "feed" the 1st 3-way inside, feed the one by the outdoor light switch.
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If you run 14/4 to the switch box by the outside door, you'll have a hot, neutral, and 2 travelers - everything you need to have a switch for that outdoor light. But do not "feed" the 1st 3-way inside, feed the one by the outdoor light switch.
How do I power the other single pole in the switchbox with the 3-way inside? Should I bring a seperate power feed to that or are you saying not to do that?
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See if this makes sense to you. Power is coming into the system at the location of switch "A". Switch "A" controls the light. XX-/2/2 cable is run between switch "A" location over to switch "B" location. This XX/2/2 cable takes neutral, hot and the two travelers. Switch "B" then controls all even duplexes and obviously the 3-way switch at "B" location would control the odd duplexes.

Once at switch "B" location, there are a number of ways to distribute the switched power to all the duplex locations.

I stopped the wiring at duplexes 7/8 but I think you should see the pattern.

Grounds are not shown for ease of drawing.
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At switch "B" location you could also send out another cable to pick up other duplex locations
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Looks great! Although I can't wire through the receptacle boxes after receptacles 3-4. Can I bring the cable from receptacle box 3-4 to meet up with the rest in a large junction box. It will be accesible above drop/suspended ceiling tiles.
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Looks great! Although I can't wire through the receptacle boxes after receptacles 3-4. Can I bring the cable from receptacle box 3-4 to meet up with the rest in a large junction box. It will be accesible above drop/suspended ceiling tiles.
Yes. Or you could wire from switch "B" location over to duplexes 3/4 and stop there. Also from switch "B" location wire to all the other duplex location in a daisy-chain fashion(like the diagram below)

If you want to have an accessible junction box for a "main" switching location you can do that.


If you have a j-box for a main switching location for all the duplex locations, you would have one 6 sets of cable coming into this j-box. With all those cable and wires you best use a 4-11/16 j-box at least 2-1/8 deep just to have enough capacity. You may even want an extension ring if you havent had much experience folding all those wires into a box.
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Heres a drawing from awhile back with a 4-way switch setup. There was a "strategically placed j-box" for switching used to feed a set of lights on each side of a metal beam.
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Could I take a cable out of receptacle box 3/4 to two receptacle boxes. Then take the cable out of switchbox B to the remaining two receptacle boxes? Would this be too many junctions? Also all I can find is xx 2/2 (Black,Red,White,White with Red stripe). Is this ok to use and just reidentify the white with red stripe?

I have these for junction boxes. They are 8.63 x 4.5 and have a 90.5 cubic inch capacity.

http://www.garvinindustries.com/elec...ckouts/gb-2123
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Could I take a cable out of receptacle box 3/4 to two receptacle boxes. Then take the cable out of switchbox B to the remaining two receptacle boxes?
Yes you can but in a previous post you said.
Although I can't wire through the receptacle boxes after receptacles 3-4. I took this to mean after 3/4 you can't wire to any other duplexes.



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Also all I can find is xx 2/2 (Black,Red,White,White with Red stripe). Is this ok to use and just reidentify the white with red stripe?
Yes...the white with red stripe conductor will not be used as a neutral so you could wrap some colored tape or mark it at its ends.
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[QUOTE=hammerlane;1304908]Yes you can but in a previous post you said.
Although I can't wire through the receptacle boxes after receptacles 3-4. I took this to mean after 3/4 you can't wire to any other duplexes.

Sorry. I meant that I can go into receptacles 3-4 with a cable and out with a cable to anywhere, but that is the only one I can wire through to others. All the others will have to be end runs only.
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Thanks to everybody for all the help!
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Having a little trouble finding some 12/4. I found some ROMEX NM-B 14/4 (Black-Red-Blue-White-Bare Ground) but I thought this would be better to do in 12 AWG wires since these are switched receptacles. Would there be any problems doing this in MC 12/4 since it seems easier to find?
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Why do you need 4 wire for a couple of 3-ways and outlets in a basement?
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So I meet the code of having neutrals in all the switchboxes.

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