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Old 07-05-2012, 01:37 PM   #1
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Hello all,

Who is responsible for providing a cover for the round hole left when an old meter was pulled? POCO? Me?

I've run this by the POCO more than once and nothing ever seems to get done.

Is this something I can pick up at a big box store and slap on myself?

(There were two meters at one time when the upstairs was an apartment.)

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Jim

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Old 07-05-2012, 01:39 PM   #2
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In my experience these are installed and supplied by the power company.

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First... who pulled the meter?

Is the meter can still energized the PoCo will NOT leave it unsafe.
If the can is NOT energized... maybe not.
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:48 PM   #4
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I have no memory of who actually pulled the meter. Either it was done before my time, or it was done in 1991 when I was a snot-nosed teenager and such things were of no concern to me.

As far as I can tell, yes, it's energized. Yes it's exposed. Yes the POCO isn't doing anything about it.

See the attached pictures. The new service was put in in 91. The old stuff is a feed to the upstairs that used to be an apartment.

How afraid of this nastiness should I be?

Jim
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Duplicate. Sorry.
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That is a defunct service. It is no longer energized. it is all on you.

If it were me I'd rip it all out.
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I too think it is dead. I don't see any connection to the old cable.
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I too think it is dead and does look like an abandoned service. However I would first check to see where that cable feeding the bottom of the sockets is coming from and the one from the side is going to. Most likely (hopefully) it is unhooked in the basement but that double tapped set of lugs in the open socket has me wondering if they did not use that as a connection point for a feed upstairs to a sub panel. Is there one????

Obviously you guys and I would know how to test this but can the OP?
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Why dont you go down to the poco yard,
and ask them nicely for a cover ?
You do the leg work,
If you ask nicely without any attitude
they just might give you one !
explain to them that you are uncombfortable about the exposed wiring.
You have not !
Because you ask not !
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I'm back home. It's after dark, but tomorrow I'll try to remember to take a non-contact voltage sensor out there and see ...but, I'm assuming it's live.

There IS an upstairs panel that I am assuming is fed by that mess.

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There is one way you can able find it is follow that small SE cable from the wall to the breaker box if that do goes in the breaker box it may possiblty it is a " sub feed " to upstair panel box.

If that the case you should able find two pole breaker that feed that cable to upstair subpanel they typically run anywhere from 40 to 60 amp breaker however if possible to take a photo of the current load centre so we can able indentify the cable if that do actually go in if not that more like abanoned cable if that the case it should be removed long time ago.

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There IS a two-pole, 60AMP breaker feeding what I believe is that wire - it definitely feeds the upstairs.

See the attached picture,
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Ahh., Bon. ya found it so the surefire test is turn that breaker off if the upstair part do go dark then you know that is the one to deal with it.

Really my suggest that you will have to run in the conduit and run all the way upstair panel and what brand name upstair panel you have there ?

And again if you don't mind take a photo of upstair panel that will help us a bit to guide ya the correct way to replace this peice of mess and it will be alot neater and safer this way.

Oh yeah the other thing you will have to get a grounding bussbar for upstair panel again have the photo that will help us to indentify it.

The conductor size you can use is # 6 copper THHN/THWN you can use either 3/4 inch conduit or one inch conduit ( I rather go with a inch in case you may want to bump up the size if the panel is rated for larger rating )

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I'll attempt to get a picture of the upstairs panel and figure out the brand. It's an old fuse panel. I'm not sure I want to even think of that panel. There is no way it can possibly be code as it is installed in a bathroom wall - above a bathtub. <sigh> No, there is no shower, but yes, you could stand in the water in the tub and go playing in a live electrical panel.

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If that mess is energized you need to replace that with all new ASAP .... the exposure to the weather of that old meter base(s) is going to and has corroded and rusted the connections. That can lead to a very hot connection inside that old meter base someone re-purposed for a junction box. I'm not surprised but it always amazes me that anyone would be that negligent in workwanship regardless of their finances .. especially when they have to know it is hazardous and their house and/or a life may be at risk. It's just nuts.

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