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Old 09-19-2011, 07:57 PM   #1
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The old light fixture box in the ceiling is broken. Can you please advise on how how to remove this thing and install a new one? Also, does home depot/lowes sell these?


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Old 09-19-2011, 08:25 PM   #2
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That is most likely a nail-on box held on by two nails. Do you have access above this box?

A hacksaw blade will cut the nails off when slid between the framing and the box. You can also crack the box and then pull the nails.

Be careful not to damage the cable.

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That is most likely a nail-on box held on by two nails. Do you have access above this box?

A hacksaw blade will cut the nails off when slid between the framing and the box. You can also crack the box and then pull the nails.

Be careful not to damage the cable.
Once you remove the old box--assuming you haven't damaged the ceiling much--you'd want to buy an "old work" box.

Why did it break in the first place? What type of fixture are you hanging? If it's heavy you may want to consider something like a Westinghouse Saf-T-Box (sold at Home Depot). It has a bar that screws itself into the two adjacent joists and will hold more weight. If you're against the joist already they make one that screws into the joist directly.
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thanks Jim. I don't have access above the box.

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That is most likely a nail-on box held on by two nails. Do you have access above this box?

A hacksaw blade will cut the nails off when slid between the framing and the box. You can also crack the box and then pull the nails.

Be careful not to damage the cable.
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thanks Bubbler. The light fixture just came off hanging by the screws on the unbroken side of the box. I'm guessing that it was damaged when the previous fixture was installed. Not sure.
I intend to hang the same light fixture as before (it's like a dome shaped glass).
HOw does one install the "old work" box? Is that available at home depot too?
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Once you remove the old box--assuming you haven't damaged the ceiling much--you'd want to buy an "old work" box.

Why did it break in the first place? What type of fixture are you hanging? If it's heavy you may want to consider something like a Westinghouse Saf-T-Box (sold at Home Depot). It has a bar that screws itself into the two adjacent joists and will hold more weight. If you're against the joist already they make one that screws into the joist directly.
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thanks Bubbler. The light fixture just came off hanging by the screws on the unbroken side of the box. I'm guessing that it was damaged when the previous fixture was installed. Not sure.
I intend to hang the same light fixture as before (it's like a dome shaped glass).
HOw does one install the "old work" box? Is that available at home depot too?
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Yep, old work boxes sold at either Lowes or Depot

They have a flange that should (hopefully) be a bit larger then your current opening. You insert the box and then turn some screws on the face of the box to spin out these little "ears", as you turn the screws it pulls the ears tight, sandwiching the drywall/plaster between the ears and the flange. There are different variations on the same by different brands, Carton is the big box brand.

Pick one up, study it for a few moments, you'll understand quickly how it works.

Be sure to pull your wire through before you put the box in...

If you do have the joist right there you may consider some of the other boxes--just look around the aisle, ask an apron wearer from help, these are the easy Q's for them (and they'll show you how the boxes work).
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This is the style I would use instead of an old work box with the ears.

http://www.smartboxinc.com/smartboxes.php
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Bubbler, [See link that Jim posted] I used one of the double gangs for my light switches for the Kitchen remodel. It made things a lot cleaner, and it actually will hold more weight than the old work boxes. Now of course, since this is a ceiling fixture box, it may be better if they used one of the fan mounting brackets instead. Just in case someone came along later and wanted to take down that light and put up a ceiling fan, or worst a heavy chandelier.
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dident watch the video on them smart boxes. I'm on my phone and it was not loading for me. I would definitely be concerned about grounding though. If u put metal screws inside the box they have to be grounded. Especially if they were driven through metal studs.
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The Smartboxes are UL listed and do not need to have the screws grounded.
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The Smartboxes are UL listed and do not need to have the screws grounded.
Jim thanks. When I picked up the 2 gang, I never looked to see what the actual name of it was. But yep, that is the type I used for the two light switches by the stove. It was a lot easier to use, especially in that we removed a New work style single gang out of that location.

For the OP you did not have to ground the screws, due to they get recessed into the box, so nothing to short against.
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Yea I checked them out. They have a Quater inch of clearance and a hole small enough that a wire will not fit in there. (So they claim) pretty smart... hahaha

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