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Old 12-07-2009, 04:17 PM   #1
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Ok to be the same colors, and mark them - correct?


100 amp subpanel in detached garage, fed from a 60 amp breaker in the main house panel.

The plan = three #6 plus (white/black/red) one #10 (green) interconnecting the panels. ~110 feet pantl to panel run for a total of 440' of wire.

I go to price the wire, and find it's about half price if I buy a 500 foot roll of #6 black rather than cut pieces of the colors.

New plan = all four #6, ok to be all black, and mark them (white/black/red/green) - correct?

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Old 12-07-2009, 04:30 PM   #2
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correct. you tape each end with a different color tape. Two remain black. One green and the other White.

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Old 12-07-2009, 04:56 PM   #3
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By NEC code (smaller then #4) they need to be the correct color (black can be marked red)
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:44 PM   #4
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Ok - they had red, green, and white - no black. I got white. White ok to remark?
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:46 PM   #5
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No, white can't be remarked as a hot feed to a panel

Red can be used as hots - you need (2)
Then you need (1) white for neutral
Then (1) green
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:48 PM   #6
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No you can not remark anything of a certain size and smaller(in Canada I beleive it is #2).

This is one of the code rules that I would ask the inspector about, he may let it slide. You are getting it inspected right like any good person would do.

Please do not tell people to use white wire as a hot feed
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:52 PM   #7
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Technical foul.

In installations like this, you can't reidentify wire smaller than #4..... but it is done and passed every single day.

Hell, I do it and I are a trained profeshinul.

If you tape them the entire length, you are OK.




You could trick them. Pull a little extra, tape all the exposed wire and pull it back into the conduit a few inches.

Repeat on the other side and it will appear to be taped the entire length.

Like I said, it's a technical issue and in 35 years, I have never ever been called on it.




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Ok - they had red, green, and white - no black. I got white. White ok to remark?

Gah. Get black

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Old 12-07-2009, 08:09 PM   #8
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>>> only green, white, and red ...

When you get two lengths of red for the hots, you can remark one of them with black, blue, or yellow for ease of identification.
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Old 12-07-2009, 08:10 PM   #9
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They are 110' long - don't think I want remark them all the way. That would take a lot of tape.

OK, easy to return/swap as I will be driving right by there in the morning - so if I take back the white reel and swap it for a reel of red. So I'll have two reds, a red remarked to white, and a red remarked to green. Correct?

And what if the red is gone (they only had the one...) - green ok to remark?

Did the rough work inside the garage over the weekend and dug the trench - laying conduit and installing wires tomorrow - then inspection...

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you cannot remark the white or the green. If they do not have black, go somewhere else to buy it. Black is by far the most available color.
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You need 2 hots = any colors but white or green
One Neutral - white or grey w/white markings
One Green
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You might as well return the 500' white reel but you will need to buy 110' of genuine white and 110' of genuine green. If you want to buy the reel of red also then that's fine.
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No you can not remark anything of a certain size and smaller(in Canada I beleive it is #2).

This is one of the code rules that I would ask the inspector about, he may let it slide. You are getting it inspected right like any good person would do.

Please do not tell people to use white wire as a hot feed
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Mr moderator if i did infact say that, it was a typo, of course you would never recolour a white wire and use it as a hot, except in a switch loop.

I was referring to the OP wanting to use the black wire and remarking it.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:32 PM   #14
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NEC Code REQUIRES #6 & smaller to be the correct color in this case
Anyone stating different is not following the code
If you have a code reference that allows it please post it
Other wise Please do not instruct a DIY to do something that is not Code compliant
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:10 PM   #15
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Update -

Installed today - worked it out to where no remarking was done.
  • 2 hots - black
  • 1 nuetral - white
  • 1 ground - green
Thanks everybody for the GREAT input and help!!
You all make this site ROCK!!

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