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Old 01-15-2009, 07:41 PM   #16
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Sheathed cable can be run inside the house but once it leaves the house, the ground needs to be insulated. LT can be used in lengths not to exceed 6'. Your receptacle for the hot tub must not be within 5' of the hot tub and needs to be ground fault protected. There's not to be any receptacles located within 10' from the hot tub. Any receptacles within 20' need to be ground fault protected. Any receptacles within 5-10' are for tub associated only. As stated, scrap the ground rod. I really suggest you acclimate yourself with Art. 680 Parts 1,2,&4. This is a pretty serious install.

I go by 05 code so I'm not sure what, if any, changed in 08`


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UF cannot be used for a hot tub. Like the NM the ground wire is not insulated, it is only covered.

Also do NOT drive a grounding rod at the tub.

Do you have an art. # for that?
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Sheathed cable can be run inside the house but once it leaves the house, the ground needs to be insulated. LT can be used in lengths not to exceed 6'. Your receptacle for the hot tub must not be within 5' of the hot tub and needs to be ground fault protected. There's not to be any receptacles located within 10' from the hot tub. Any receptacles within 20' need to be ground fault protected. Any receptacles within 5-10' are for tub associated only. As stated, scrap the ground rod. I really suggest you acclimate yourself with Art. 680 Parts 1,2,&4. This is a pretty serious install.

I go by 05 code so I'm not sure what, if any, changed in 08`
I'm a little confused by this.
The receptacle for the hot tub must not be less than 5' of the hot tub. I understand that part.
There's not to be any receptacles located within 10' from the hot tub. How's that? If the hot tub receptacle is not to be within 5', that says it can be 6' from the tub, but the second statement says that there cannot be any receptacle within 10'.
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I'm a little confused by this.
The receptacle for the hot tub must not be less than 5' of the hot tub. I understand that part.
There's not to be any receptacles located within 10' from the hot tub. How's that? If the hot tub receptacle is not to be within 5', that says it can be 6' from the tub, but the second statement says that there cannot be any receptacle within 10'.
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Any receptacles within 5-10' are for tub associated only.
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Did you see this part:
OK, I guess I missed that part.
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This is a plug and cord hot tub sometimes known as a plug and play hot tub. It comes equipped with Alci on the cord. He only needs to plug the tub power cord into a properly installed outside outlet. He doesn't need a
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OK, I've got a little more info...

I didn't realize before, but the plug for the tub is on the end of a 8-10ft cord. I previously thought I had to bring the power up into the tub enclosure, but it looks like I can bring the plug out of the hot tub and over to an outdoor GFCI outlet that's to be installed 5-10 ft away....

Since this outlet will be under a deck, can the conduit be above ground and attached to the bottom of the deck joists? Now I wonder about the plug cord...should there be some markings on it if it's OK to bury it underground? I don't see how I would fish that huge GFCI plug through some conduit, it would have to be 4" for it to fit...even then I don't know if it would fit through any 90deg bends. Either way, the plug cord will need to be underground at least where it exits the tub enclosure.

and no grounding rod near the tub.

guess i didn't need to add the hot tub install on my elec permit since it sounds like i'm really just going to be installing an outdoor outlet and plugging in a hot tub. oh well, i'll consider that a $50 donation to the twp.

oh, and yes, this really is a fully functional hot tub. friends have been using it year-round for 8 years. it's a hot springs tub.
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If you cord and plug the hot tub you cannot plug it in under the deck. Your cord and plug is considered the required disconnect and must be no closer than 5 feet from the tub and readily accessible. The cord does not get installed in conduit.
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It is extremely unlikely that the cord for the hot tub will be rated for direct burial, or even in conduit. The cord must be rated for outdoor use, and your plug must be protected where it plugs into the outdoor GFCI receptacle by a bubble type cover.

You may be able to install a weather protected switch in series with the GFCI receptacle to act as your means of disconnect, but check code. If you choose to use the switch, you may want to locate your GFCI indoors, or use a GFCI breaker in the main panel, since removing power from, and then restoring power to a GFCI receptacle can cause it to trip out, which would make it a nusiance to have to reset it when you want to use the spa.

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