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Old 10-06-2013, 03:02 PM   #16
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Someone did not break off the tang, is why you are getting 240 volts. Again post a picture of how it is hooked up.
That is not the problem. If it was, you'd have a phase to phase short.

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A pic is worth a 1000 words here.
Sounds like the receptacle is a duplex set up with 2 circuits.
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I know of no charger that would still be in one piece after plugging it into a 230 volt receptacle.
Auto switching power packs are readily available !
They are of course a smps.

They start out on 240v input when you first switch them on.
If the circuit sences incorrect voltage,
it will then switch to a lower voltage of 120v input.

Quite common in Australia and Europe !
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Someone did not break off the tang, is why you are getting 240 volts. Again post a picture of how it is hooked up.
NOT CORRECT.
If the tang was not broken you would have a dead short between the two hots.
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NOT CORRECT.
If the tang was not broken you would have a dead short between the two hots.
Depends on how the other party that did this, wired the outlet. Not always will it be a dead short, if they did some creative wiring. Most likely Neutral is not Neutral, but is a Hot leg.

Only with pictures will anyone know how this is wired, along with picture of how it is wired in the panel.
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That is not the problem. If it was, you'd have a phase to phase short.
Depends on how creative the person was, when they hooked up the outlet.

Without the OP giving up pictures of how the outlet is wired, everyone is only guessing what is going on.
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This is a mwbc. Both the black and red wires carry 120 on opposing phases which gives you 240 measuring across the two. Each wire to the white should give you 120. If you measured from the top outlet to the bottom, that is where you are seeing 240. Measure from each part of the outlet from hot to neutral, should get 120. If this is the case, then you are fine as long as the two breakers that control this circuit have a handle tie to shut both phases off if one were to trip. Also, if you decide to change the outlet, make sure to break the tab between the two hot screws so you don't short the phases out on the new outlet

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Nobody said this was a multi wire or even if this had a three wire feed. It was only said that it was a 240 volt circuit with regular 120 volt receptacle on it.
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Personally, I would never wire a duplex outlet with the tang broken off and 240V between the hots. Someone could come along and plug one of those outlet extenders in that plug into both the top and bottom outlets.
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Personally, I would never wire a duplex outlet with the tang broken off and 240V between the hots. Someone could come along and plug one of those outlet extenders in that plug into both the top and bottom outlets.
Those wouldn't create a problem. The top and bottom portions are independent of each other.

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