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Old 04-16-2009, 09:57 AM   #31
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Stop using the wires for a clothesline. Put up a proper line if you want to dry your dresses in the basement.

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Stop using the wires for a clothesline. Put up a proper line if you want to dry your dresses in the basement.
I am onboard with that one, believe me. Now all I have to do is convince my wife.
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There was never the intent to GFI protect anything but receptacles in unfinished basements.

Here is the exact 2008 NEC text. Not something someone it telling you:

(A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in (1) through (8) shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.

(5) Unfinished basements for purposes of this section, unfinished basements are defined as portions or areas of the basement not intended as habitable rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and the like
Exception to (5): A receptacle supplying only a permanently installed fire alarm or burglar alarm system shall not be required to have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection.



For 2008 the exceptions for receptacles that are not readily accessible and for receptacles behind large appliances were removed.
Right you are! I looked into it in more depth this afternoon, and discovered that lighting circuits are not required for GFCI, only circuits with receptacles. Those light fixtures with built in receptacles would, alas, require a GFCI on that circuit. Interestingly, I also discovered that Kentucky has NOT adopted the 2008 NEC, even though it is commonly reported that it has. It seems Kentucky did adopt it, at a administrative level, and that it was then pulled from formal adoption pending 'further study.' The 2005 NEC is still in effect in Kentucky. This link explains it.

http://www.iaei.org/directconnect/states/KY.html

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