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Old 06-24-2014, 11:19 PM   #1
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Hi all, thanks for letting me into the forum!
So, the other morning, my sister was blow-drying/straightening/listening to music/had the lights on in the bathroom, and heard a 'draining' noise and lost power and lights.
The breaker didn't kick, and my bedroom and hall lights are in the same breaker circuit and I still have power and light. The GFCI didn't trip either. I pulled it out, and tested it with a volt-ohm meter, there is NO power going into the outlet. I pulled the light switch and the light fixture out and tested for power there, none.
I tested a known working switch and outlet, and pulled normal power.
I pulled the face of the breaker box, and there is one main wire bundle going into the wall that powers the bathroom, hall lights, and my bedroom, but I have no idea where the wire splits. I can't track the wire without doing down walls.

I have met my ability and knowledge, to no avail. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, I'm not good at showering in complete darkness

Thanks in advance!
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Old 06-24-2014, 11:31 PM   #2
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Go thru each box (recep/light) on the circuit inspecting each splice.... if not therer , look for a J box in the attic/basement....

What year and type of wiring do you have.

Did you check your hots to both grounds and neutrals.

Any recent nails been put in any nearby walls?

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Old 06-24-2014, 11:49 PM   #3
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Please forgive my naivety, what is a J box?
What should I look for on the splices?
Should I look through all the working outlets/switches too?
I believe my house was build in 2000. Definitely close to that.
No new nails or anything.
This is taking place in the basement. The bathroom is very close to the breaker box, so there isn't much room for hidden treasures I'm not finding.
Thanks for the hasty reply
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:30 AM   #4
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What about an unknown or hidden GFCI ?

Otherwise its a burnt out joint between where power is and power isnt !

If you know whats on that circuit mostly,
Then work out whats not working,
Then you should be able to work out how they connect together
and the probable route of the interconnectting wires.
Carefully check the last known working device on the circuit
for loose or burnt out wires.
Check for power at first non working device,
It has to go astray somewhere between these two.
Could even be a faulty cable between.
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A J box is a junction box where cables are spliced together and housed (as per code). It sounds like quite a bit is running on this one circuit; that could be an issue. Definitely look for bad splices in the last known device. Replace electrically taped connections with appropriate sized wire nuts. Also look for backstabbing in outlets. The backstabbing method is often used to speed up installation, but it can lead to issues like this.
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Just Curiosity.....

Home built in 2000....... Anybody recall when "dedicated bath circuits" code came in.
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I'm not sure what is meant by a "draining" noise, but if the hair dryer was on when the power failed and no GFI is tripped I would bet a junction upstream of the hair dryer has burned enough to go open. Especially if back stabbed outlets are in use. Is this on a 20 amp or 15 amp breaker?
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I agree with dmclean. I had a problem like that a couple of days ago. The neutral in an outlet box in the room below where the problem started burned up. If we'd checked hot to another circuit's neutral or ground (via extension cord) I'd have know right away a neutral was bad. Check all the outlets that you think are on the circuit. It could be the first non-working or last working outlet box that's the problem. Here's the explanation: Electricity flows into and out of a receptacle. If the neutral (it could also be the hot side) breaks on the outgoing side, the outlet you're checking will still work. If it's broken on the incoming, it won't. Turn the circuit off and do a visual check of the outlets (unscrew them from the boxes and pull them out of the box a little). Since you're in there anyway, if they ARE back-stabbed, pull them out of there and wrap them around the screws. You'll need a small screw driver to release the wires.
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back stabbed outlets are in use.
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So, I inspected all switches and outlets, and everything was in fine working order. I started blindly pulling out outlets, and found one with a wire hanging out of a wire nut. I assumed that it fell out when i was pulling out the receptacle, but the bathroom light magically turned on. I have no idea how an overload led to the wire popping out, but after countless shocks, everything is working thank you all so much for your help!!
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Wires expand and contract as they heat and cool. What was probably a poor connection to begin with heated up more due to its own high resistance. Enough hot/cold cycles and the connection fails.

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