New Outlet Open Ground!!!!

hpp58 · 06-13-2011, 08:51 PM

It's no different that a regular receptacle, and it's required by code.

Audiotekm · 06-13-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hpp58

It's no different that a regular receptacle, and it's required by code.

My only concerns was the LINE side and LOAD side

LINE side= from panel
LOAD side = to the other outlet.

What If I don't have another outlet??

dsconstructs · 06-13-2011, 11:12 PM

If you aren't continuing the circuit/feeding another outlet after the GFCI then you just connect the LINE and you're done, there is no LOAD to connect.

BTW, does sound like previously stated that your junction box isn't carrying a good ground and even a GFCI outlet won't change that.

Audiotekm · 06-14-2011, 07:37 AM

I;m thinking the same thing!!! If it didn't work with an iso ground outlet I highly doubt it will work with a GFCI. Would it be the same result with a regular outlet?

Jim Port · 06-14-2011, 08:06 AM

It may be different. Isolated ground receptacles require 2 grounding means. You only had one.

The result may be the same if the one end of the cable or the old wiring method is not grounded.

electures · 06-14-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by oh'mike

The box does not need to be grounded----when the outlet is installed the screw will ground the box.

I try to avoid answering electrical questions---while I have a good working knowledge I live in an area where Romex is not allowed and all wiring is done with conduit (meaning all boxes and conduit are grounded.)

I'll do the best I can. There are a bunch of licensed electricians here--- They must all be out enjoying the weather.---Mike---

The box is required to be grounded.

250.148 Continuity and Attachment of Equipment Grounding Conductors to Boxes. Where circuit conductors are spliced within a box, or terminated on equipment within or supported by a box, any equipment grounding conductor(s) associated with those circuit conductors shall be connected
within the box or to the box with devices suitable for the use in accordance with 250.148(A) through (E).
Exception: The equipment grounding conductor permitted in 250.146(D) shall not be required to be connected to the other equipment grounding conductors or to the box.
(A) Connections. Connections and splices shall be made in accordance with 110.14(B) except that insulation shall not be required.
(B) Grounding Continuity. The arrangement of grounding connections shall be such that the disconnection or the removal of a receptacle, luminaire, or other device fed from the box does not interfere with or interrupt the grounding continuity.
(C) Metal Boxes. A connection shall be made between the one or more equipment grounding conductors and a metal box by means of a grounding screw that shall be used for no other purpose, equipment listed for grounding, or a listed grounding device.

electures · 06-14-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AllanJ

Note that some armored cables including ordinary BX are not considered good and sufficient grounding conductors. Most qualifying armored flexible cables have a strip or wire for the grounding conductor running inside.

It is not unusual for loose connections to develop between the armored cable, the cable clamp, and/or the junction box at one or more locations, thus giving you an open ground.

This is true for extreme lengths (usually over 100"). All BX (Armored Cable) is a listed grounding means. The aluminum strip inside the cable is not an equipment grounding conductor. It is called a redundant bonding strip and is not to be connected to anything. By making contact with the inside of the armor the entire length of the cable it is part if the grounding path. Some electricians cut it off while outhers (including me) wrap it back around the armor.

This is why it is important that listed connectors and clamps be used.

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