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Old 09-18-2013, 08:02 AM   #31
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I did not know much about interlocks until you mentioned them, so thanks for suggesting this option. This would appear to eliminate the need for a transfer switch. It certainly offers cleaner solution and probably costs less, too.
you'll definitely need the interlock kit with the csed. code requires 'transfer equipment' which doesn't necessarily need to be a stand-alone transfer switch. the interlock works. intent is to 'prevent the inadvertent interconnection of normal and alternate sources of supply'.

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Old 09-18-2013, 08:26 AM   #32
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I will second the matter of construction impact. It may take as long as 10 years but building next to established trees is going to kill them. It is impractical to do so but many people still do and manage to enjoy their decision for a few years. If natural gas is available at your site that would be the ideal fuel for your generator. Next is bottle gas. Humping gasoline (if you can get it) in an extended outage can be tedious.
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Old 09-18-2013, 08:26 AM   #33
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Let me say again, the trees are staying and the house will be built under the trees.

Well, can't blame a guy for trying. Just be aware that digging out for footers or a basement will probably destroy enough roots to kill the trees. But you're obviously set on doing what you want, so I shall comment no more. If I said what I want to say, I'd be banned anyway.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:35 AM   #34
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It may well be possible to avoid negatively impacting the trees. Could be there are any number of factors that could make it possible to avoid harming them.

I have an ash in the back of our lot, which the adjacent neighbor is fixated upon, but I won't go into THAT. The upside to our work was discovering an old foundation under the shed that had COMPLETELY blocked that tree from putting roots where I needed equipment to work. Otherwise the tree's drip line would likely have meant some real hassles trying to get some rain gutter cisterns installed, to say nothing of just the usual amount of Bobcat travel wrecking the turf.

There's a balance to be struck when it comes to trees and construction. Sure, we'd all like to keep them but trees are temporary items. If they're in the way then take the prudent choice and remove them before the work starts. Once the work is done then plant new ones.
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!!?? Temporary? By that standard, I guess I am temporary, as well. As is my house.
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!!?? Temporary? By that standard, I guess I am temporary, as well. As is my house.
Yes, if that's the only way you want to look at it. But how about actually adding info to the thread instead of, what, just trolling?
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Yes, if that's the only way you want to look at it
I guess, then, I was too subtle.

I agree with the OP....trees stay. Trees are important to me.
I wanted to suggest that the OP is not alone here.

More to the point...if a prospective contractor of mine ever thought of trees as disposable, temporary, or replaceable, this contractor would not get the job.

That is the info I was trying to convey.

Sorry, wkearney, just trying to type less and say more.
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:10 PM   #38
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I don't disagree with the notion of keeping trees.

I suggest, however, that if the desired plans can't be altered, then removing trees would be better than damaging them and setting off a ticking time bomb. Best to know what will or won't harm the actual trees present and come up with a plan that works best. Because it would be supremely stupid to destroy the tree's root systems and ignore the risk the trees would then pose to the brand new house and people within.

Frankly, I'd have more trouble with a contractor that DIDN'T point out that trees need to be removed if the project's scope of work would harm them. Don't lie to me and pretend the trees will be OK. Or worse, don't have one lying out of ignorance.

Some times it's as simple as putting up fencing to block equipment from running roughshod all over the roots. But without more details and pictures from the OP that'd just be guessing. Better to get local advice based on the actual conditions present.
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I agree with Bill.

Besides fencing off areas, I've also trucked soil in to blanket or cushion root systems during construction. We then removed it under procedures established by the arborist at the end of construction.

Assuming old trees are healthy is hazardous. Disturbing them with construction raises the ante. So, in some cases you need to remove/trim a few, or put someone's life at risk by not doing so.
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I suggest, however, that if the desired plans can't be altered, then removing trees would be better than damaging them and setting off a ticking time bomb.
Alter what plans? My electrical plan? Is there something wrong with my electrical plan?
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You mention putting a new house under trees. I'd think it would be obvious what plans should take the tree condition into account.

Because it'd be any of them that would interfere with the roots, including anything that'd require running equipment over them (which you can't do). So is that foundation? Electrical? Plumbing? Septic/sewage? Yes, if they're going to be problems for the trees.
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not to beat this tree issue to death but have you spoke with your insurance company? they may have some beef with you building a new house under some old trees. maybe they won't but man, it sure would suck to build a new place and then have some outrageous premiums or be denied coverage.
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Frankly, I'd have more trouble with a contractor that DIDN'T point out that trees need to be removed if the project's scope of work would harm them. Don't lie to me and pretend the trees will be OK. Or worse, don't have one lying out of ignorance.

Some times it's as simple as putting up fencing to block equipment from running roughshod all over the roots. But without more details and pictures from the OP that'd just be guessing. Better to get local advice based on the actual conditions present.
No problems with that. I would appreciate a contractor who behaved this way.

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Besides fencing off areas, I've also trucked soil in to blanket or cushion root systems during construction. We then removed it under procedures established by the arborist at the end of construction.

Assuming old trees are healthy is hazardous. Disturbing them with construction raises the ante. So, in some cases you need to remove/trim a few, or put someone's life at risk by not doing so.
You both sound like someone I could hire. So long as you are willing to take reasonable steps to protect the trees that I value, great! The ones I would not work with are those that don't would take no such steps, or work around the woods that I am trying to keep (and paid for) or rip up everything within 100ft of the house because they don't perceive value in this, or don't appreciate that I do.
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You mention putting a new house under trees. I'd think it would be obvious what plans should take the tree condition into account.
It is obvious, and I considered all the issues (and came up with solutions) long before I came to this forum to ask about electrical issues.

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