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Old 07-27-2008, 01:40 AM   #16
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Where do people wire houses to protect lights and garage door openers with a GFI outlet?

The first thing I would have done is had them all come from the line side instead of load and add GFI where needed.

Congrats on fixing the problem, though.

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Old 07-27-2008, 01:52 AM   #17
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Where do people wire houses to protect lights and garage door openers with a GFI outlet?

The first thing I would have done is had them all come from the line side instead of load and add GFI where needed.

Congrats on fixing the problem, though.
Ok, first of all, this is a DIY site. The OP was dealing with the cards he/she was dealt. And as a newbie, you wouldn't have a clue (unless you read through the entire thread), that there are some pretty remarkable people who are volunteering their time to helping others.

Use the smiles carefully. And temper you responses, esp. as a "newbie."
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Where do people wire houses to protect lights and garage door openers with a GFI outlet? .
Under the 2008 NEC, ALL 120v receptacles in a garage must be GFCI protected. The previous exceptions have been removed.
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:47 AM   #19
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** SUCCESS! FIXED! YIPPEE!! **

Big day today….going next door to the tenants to find my “ground fault”. I was loaded with all the good information I got here…three primary things to look for. After closely inspecting the GFCI outlet itself, and un-wiring the outside lights on the house, I still hadn’t come up with it what appeared to be the problem…. But suddenly the GFCI stayed on when I reset it. I re-wired the external lights, and the GFCI still stayed on. I suspected there was a problem with the lights…but I really didn’t see anything.

Then like I was told…. I started plugging things in one at a time. When I got to the garage, WHEN I PLUGGED IN THE GARAGE DOOR OPENER, IT TRIPPED THE GFCI. I pulled the plug, reset the GFCI and came back down and yes it was a live outlet. As SOON AS I PLUGGED IN THE CORD, IT TRIPPED THE GFCI AGAIN. Next I reset the GFCI, and plugged in a generic cord. It blew it! Turns out that ANYTHING plugged in to that outlet blew the GFCI. I replace the outlet….and now it stays on with garage door and other items plugged in to it. So, the problem was a BAD OUTLET.

Thanks so much for teaching me, and encouraging me.
Thank you for posting the solution.
It's good to know what the resolution was, and that you got it fixed.
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Old 07-27-2008, 11:28 AM   #20
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Unless I am mistaken he was just responding in order to get his business links posted. I hope he knows the building codes better than the NEC....

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Under the 2008 NEC, ALL 120v receptacles in a garage must be GFCI protected. The previous exceptions have been removed.
You took the words right out of my mouth......
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:10 PM   #21
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Unless I am mistaken he was just responding in order to get his business links posted. I hope he knows the building codes better than the NEC....



You took the words right out of my mouth......
I don't go by NEC, since I live in Canada. I was actually really wondering. I've never seen anything coming off of a GFI outlet unless it was another outlet that needed to be protected. Which would generally only be kitchen counter plugs, bathroom plugs, and exterior plugs.

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My apologies for not noticing where you are located differences between CEC and NEC and not saying which one is any better. Both codes are much respected.

My comments after reviewing were not appropriate. When I see business links I just figure there is an alternate motive.....
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Under the 2008 NEC, ALL 120v receptacles in a garage must be GFCI protected. The previous exceptions have been removed.
well i can tell you as soon as the inspector leaves im rewireing some of my plugs so that the refrigerator, garage door, freezer and a few other choice spots won't be gfci protected
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well i can tell you as soon as the inspector leaves im rewireing some of my plugs so that the refrigerator, garage door, freezer and a few other choice spots won't be gfci protected
Are you aware that one of the reasons that the GFCI rules changed was electrocutions from refrigerators?

A high resistance fault can energize the frame, and allow enough current to kill, but not enough to open a breaker.

I'm sorry that you are foolish enough to feel that convenience is more important than safety. And, rest assured, that any argument that you can think of was used to fight this throughout the code making process, all the way up to the NFPA meeting last year where the 2008 NEC was adopted.

Safety before convenience.
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:25 PM   #25
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I agree with you but the one thing that I've learned from this site is that GFCI's and motors just cannot co-exist (right, Chris??!) They're just completely incompatible! I mean, over time, the GFCI's weaken due to the massive inrush currents and just start tripping. And this has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that the HO's landscaper just planted a row of Japanese Maples along the side of the garage using a pick axe to break up the soil. God, I mean, you've gotta be plain stupid not to know that all those electrons are being forced out of the motor windings due to the negative sequence capacitive reverse power factor skin effect hall effect special effect magnetic pressure that exists during these starts (and we all know that is why the motors have those elliptical openings in their frames, i.e. to let the electrons vent properly to prevent a warp in the space-time continuum due to elevated electron density per meter squared? I mean, c'mon, I'm not making this stuff up!).

Jeez, I wish more people understood how residual ground fault detection schemes worked...Obviously the CMP and the manufacturers don't.

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Ok, first of all, this is a DIY site. The OP was dealing with the cards he/she was dealt. And as a newbie, you wouldn't have a clue (unless you read through the entire thread), that there are some pretty remarkable people who are volunteering their time to helping others.

Use the smiles carefully. And temper you responses, esp. as a "newbie."
Sorry to have offended you or anyone else.

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Sorry to have offended you or anyone else.

How's this one
You know, I was being a bit too reactionary. That's the problem with typing when it's too late in the day. I'm not nearly as offended with what you said, looking back in retrospect, as I am with in the way that I responded.

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well, it was my first post...

it's human nature to overreact to new people who think they know everything
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well, it was my first post...

it's human nature to overreact to new people who think they know everything
Wait until you have been here a while and find out some of them do know it all!

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