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Old 02-05-2010, 04:34 AM   #1
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Hello DYI Family,
I'm about to begin to tile my kitchen backsplash and I need to reset the length of the electrical boxes.(1 junction box, 4 regular outlets). They are sticking out at varying lengths ranging from 1/2" -1 1/4". I am using 1/4" tile w/ mastic. I plan to set the boxes first, sticking out around 1/8", since the outlet itself will stick out another 1/4".....but I'm not sure if I'm missing something.
I calculate the mastic + tile = 3/8"
My questions:
Should I set the boxes before I begin tiling?
If so, how far should the box stick out from the wall?
Is there a specific type of box I should use, that will be easiest to work with?
And also, this is my first time tiling, so if anyone has any advice I would greatly appreciate it.
I thank you all in advance,
Steve
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Old 02-05-2010, 06:18 AM   #2
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1/4-3/8 works fine. But not quite sure how you will easily do that with nail on boxes.

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Old 02-05-2010, 06:36 AM   #3
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Not sure either. It looks like new drywall? You should have reset or set the boxes to the correct depth before you put that on.
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Blue outlets and switches? Can't say I have seen those before.
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Yes, set your boxes before you tile.
If you haven't mudded in your backerboard - then remove it.
If your boxes are nailed in - use a prybar and hammer to tap them away from the stud (turn off electric and remove switches and plugs, first) - and then reset - using a scrap piece of backerboard as a depth-guage.

If you try to pry them out when the wallboard is up you're going to be pissed at yourself and then learning how to patch holes - trust me, I know.

Note - they sell raised boxes that you can use, takes out all the guess work.
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1/4-3/8 works fine. But not quite sure how you will easily do that with nail on boxes.
I'm replacing all the boxes and outlets, so what would you recommend?
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Not sure either. It looks like new drywall? You should have reset or set the boxes to the correct depth before you put that on.
What you see is the old drywall. There was 3/4 plywood covered with laminate as the original back splash.
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Yes, set your boxes before you tile.
If you haven't mudded in your backerboard - then remove it.
If your boxes are nailed in - use a prybar and hammer to tap them away from the stud (turn off electric and remove switches and plugs, first) - and then reset - using a scrap piece of backerboard as a depth-guage.

If you try to pry them out when the wallboard is up you're going to be pissed at yourself and then learning how to patch holes - trust me, I know.

Note - they sell raised boxes that you can use, takes out all the guess work.
Thanks. I am planning on using mastic directly over the sheet rock. Thoughts?
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If you are going to open the walls to remove the existing replace them with Carlon adjustable boxes.

http://www.carlon.com/Brochures/2B1-Adjustable-Low.pdf

They are a bit spendy but worth every penny in this application.
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If you are going to open the walls to remove the existing replace them with Carlon adjustable boxes.

http://www.carlon.com/Brochures/2B1-Adjustable-Low.pdf

They are a bit spendy but worth every penny in this application.
Thanks Jupe. I'm going to try these.
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If you are going to open the walls to remove the existing replace them with Carlon adjustable boxes.

http://www.carlon.com/Brochures/2B1-Adjustable-Low.pdf

They are a bit spendy but worth every penny in this application.
Great idea, they work perfect. Not the cleanest installation on my part, but they do the job. Thanks again.
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If you are going to open the walls to remove the existing replace them with Carlon adjustable boxes.

http://www.carlon.com/Brochures/2B1-Adjustable-Low.pdf

They are a bit spendy but worth every penny in this application.
THANKS for that link!
The former owners of my house used those in a variety of spots and I had no clue what they were for! I just chunked them, thinking they were substandard cheapo plastic boxes that were useless.

I feel stupid but well informed now And will definitely buy them and use them instead of basic metal set brackets - it HAS been a problem around here (setting them to the wrong depth and then having to remove the wall to fix it).

Lookin dumb - but cute in my overalls. Kidding, I don't look cute.
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We us the Carlon adjustable boxes alot when roughing in kitchens. Especially if the home owner hasn't made a final decision on the material for the backsplash.
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Make sure the boxes are plumb enough so the devices are square to the tiles.
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i would use a floor outlet box if i was really that concerned about it, they pulll in and out i saw a picture above in this thread. Or i would just set the boxes and 1/8 inch past the sheetrock.

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