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Old 01-06-2012, 09:11 PM   #106
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That is a good question.

There also used to be 2 lane highways, then they replaced many of them with divided highways. Cars did not have air bags.

And in the 60's, homes had 2 prong outlets, no GFCI outlets, and no smoke detectors. Many people lived in those homes and never had any problems...

...however MANY other people were electrocuted or died in electrical fires.

We learn from these accidents. Then take steps to make things safer.

So IF everything electrical would ALWAYS function properly. And EVERYTHING powered by electricity always functioned properly. And all electrical circuits were ALWAYS 100% intact and connected. Then many electrical code rules would not be needed.

But we live in the real world and things happen to dangerously damage electrical circuits and electrical devices.

As it turns out, there are some *very* smart people out there who have been able to design things so we are still safe even when an electrical malfunction happens.

Ground wires get cut.
Neutral wires come loose.
Someone digs a trench and cuts an electrical line.
Someone drills a hole in a wall and cuts an electrical wire.

These things happen everyday! But when they do happen, an up to code electrical system will assure you that you and your family are still safe!

Not the case with older electrical systems.

Basically it is the case of there being a problem. Then doing something about it to reduce or eliminate those problems in the future.

As to why this is being addressed now and not a long time ago... Well once upon a time there was just one main electrical panel in a home. One outlet per room. No need for any subpanels.

Now everybody and their brother has a subpanel to power all those electrical gadgets.

Safety problems with subpanels have been noted and corrected.

Something new to come along will be electric vehicles. I imagine there will be problems with that too. If there are, then changes to the code will be made to make it safer. If no problems, then no need for any changes.

Simple as that!



Well said sir.....well said.




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You have 100ish posts now telling you that the THREE people you talked to are wrong. Assuming some people on here only have one post and some have 5 or 6....say 3 each....so 33 or so people telling you that they are WRONG.

Why do you insist on finding someone on here to agree with the three people that you know?? What's the difference? Who cares what we think? As far as that goes, who cares what your 3 locals say or think?

Why don't ya just do it however you want to...or leave it however you want to.....and go on with life? It's YOUR house.

Why do you keep asking and trying to find a round-about way of justifying your improper installation?

I can understand wanting to understand why something is the way it is. But multiple people have explained it to you...some with detailed diagrams (BTW, good job Stubbie ). But you seem to be fishing REALLLLLLY hard for a justification for the way you did this project, however wrong it may be.

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We are still arguing over a rule that is in place...how ridiculous. Yes, there are millions ssub-panels wired with just 3 wires from the main....so what? The code has changed, it's no longer acceptable for new installations....PERIOD. This can't be argued, this can't turn into opinion, as it apparently has. Next time you see a 45 mile an hour speed limit, speed up to 70 and tell the cop it's OK because you didn't get hurt. Tell him it's just his opinion that you are going too fast. Get it? A million posts won't change the code. There are other people here asking questions who actually want to know the right way to do things. Give it a rest and let us get back to those who are truly in need and will take advice. Arguing the code is a stupid thing to do and unfortunately I'm guilty as the rest with this pointless bantering.
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We learn from these accidents. Then take steps to make things safer.
Are my grounds hooked up right?

Will I get shocked if I touch the little brass thumb nuts?

It was safe in 1902.

Sigh....I guess people don't have common sense anymore.

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Are my grounds hooked up right?

Will I get shocked if I touch the little brass thumb nuts?

It was safe in 1902.

Sigh....I guess people don't have common sense anymore.

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I doubt it was safe in 1902...and do you own that fan? Very cool.
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Are my grounds hooked up right?

Will I get shocked if I touch the little brass thumb nuts?

It was safe in 1902.

Sigh....I guess people don't have common sense anymore.

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It was never safe, LOL.

The danger within was ACCEPTED in 1902, but it wasn't safe, by any means.
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I doubt it was safe in 1902...and do you own that fan? Very cool.
Yes I do and it's running at the moment.
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Yes I do and it's running at the moment.
LOL! Hoping this is sarcasm. hoping....
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I have no doubt that it can run and if I had a fan like that I would run it as well....just not around any little fingers.
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LOL! Hoping this is sarcasm. hoping....
No serious. It's right next to me in my computer room and runs whenever I'm here. It was originally a 133 cycle fan. When 133 cycles went away someone toasted it on 60 cycles so I halfed the wire size and doubled the turns but kept the 10 poles and now it lumbers along at about 600 RPM. Just enough to move the air around but whisper quiet.

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Well which fan is it?...the two pictures are not of the same fan.
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7. Line and load conductors might be reversed at service disco.
IMO they are and either the picture is upside down .. you can see the word Murray inverted on the cover ... or the cb enclosure is installed upside down.
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Well which fan is it?...the two pictures are not of the same fan.
Yes, same fan....I'm a glutton for punishment. I did have to add the front part of the guard as it was missing. It's a General Electric BTW.
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IMO they are and either the picture is upside down .. you can see the word Murray inverted on the cover ... or the cb enclosure is installed upside down.
I looked at the pic closely and followed the aluminum into his breaker panel. It looked ok to me. Maybe no?
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Yes, same fan....I'm a glutton for punishment. I did have to add the front part of the guard as it was missing. It's a General Electric BTW.
..but in different stages of restoration. Did you do that yourself?
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..but in different stages of restoration. Did you do that yourself?
Yes, the second pic was how I got the fan. The flutes on the base were reconstructed with bondo and JB weld along the outside rim.

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