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Old 10-16-2007, 12:13 PM   #16
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Is this a new unit?

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Yes but I bought it through one of their independent wholesalers. The wholesaler's site says warranty is void if face panel is removed during installation or if alternate wiring is used directly into the unit (they even wax over the screws to deter you from doing it). I think I'll call the manufacturer directly and see what they say.

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Ok thats cool. I just didn't see anything that showed a factory pigtail. Calling the manufacturer is a good idea and should clear things up.
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:33 PM   #18
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moneymgmt,

3 permits for a water heater, that's strict. Best of luck,
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47 47: I called and asked: 1 electrical, 1 plumbing, and 1 mechanical for gas. I argued that they could all be lumped as "mechanical" and just buy one permit but they disagreed with me thus, we run as rebels, without permits.
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Don't forget....you need a disconnect for that beast. A non fused pullout will suffice (about 15 bucks). Branch circuit thru wall into surface mounted and pigtail into W/H.

It won't be "pretty" but it can be "clean".

Also...I'd protect the pigtail with flex.
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220/221: honest question, why do I need a disconnect if its wired into a breaker? Is that not the purpose of a breaker?

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220/221: honest question, why do I need a disconnect if its wired into a breaker? Is that not the purpose of a breaker?
Can yoou see the breaker from the water heater?

Based on what you said, I don't think you can. The disconnect will be used as the J-box anyway.
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As to what I think the code making panel was thinking on why you have to have the disconnect as well as the breaker is so the plumbing contractor, when he comes to service the water heater, can disconnect the electricity and be in sight of that disconnect while he is working. We wouldn't want lil' Jonny to sneek into the garage and flip the breaker while the plumber is in the basement with one hand on 120V and the other hand on a water pipe.
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220/221: honest question, why do I need a disconnect if its wired into a breaker? Is that not the purpose of a breaker?

The breaker protects the wire.

The disco protects the serviceman.
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so if I'm within 5 feet of the panel you think I'm ok without the disconnect? THe wire from the unit is only 18", that's why I need a junction box in the first place, even though we're so close to the panel.

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so if I'm within 5 feet of the panel you think I'm ok without the disconnect? THe wire from the unit is only 18", that's why I need a junction box in the first place, even though we're so close to the panel.

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Place a locking device on the double pole circuit breaker so it can be locked out in the open position and you will not need a line of sight disconnect.
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Does it say that in the code book stubbie? I ain't saying it doesn't, i've just never seen it.
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Does it say that in the code book stubbie? I ain't saying it doesn't, i've just never seen it.
See 422.31(B)
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Thanks guys, It would be cool to walk into a ratty old house to do a service call and see an OSHA approved Master Lock lock out/ tag out station.

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