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Old 11-11-2007, 03:45 PM   #91
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I was thinking of you, Andy, as I wrote the skirting bit. Just so you know...

I appreciate Stubbie's input here, because every step I take I can hear him reminding me to be careful and not scare the "be-jesus" out of him. If everything didn't look so well kept with the tub I would probably not put any more effort into it myself. I'm going to ponder this one a little bit more, and will keep you posted with questions/results. Thanks a bunch.

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Old 11-11-2007, 04:55 PM   #92
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Honka bonka bo bonka, banana fanna fo fonka,

Try calling the phone # on the link Stubbie gave for Brett Aqualine. See if you can find a serial # to give to them.

Check out how many views this sucker has gotten. I told ya, much like a soap opera Now if your audience could only get some photos...
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:46 PM   #93
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Handy Andy bo Bandy,

Okay, I did some homework... And analyzed the situation... The hot tub is a 50A, figured that out between the info Stubbie gave me and finding the numbers I needed on the power pack. (Thanks, Stubbie!! Very kind of you to put as much time into that as you did, and I appreciate it very much.) I've got a credit to use up at Home Depot and while they don't carry a 50A GFI they do carry a "spa pack" thing (not the technical name, just got off the phone with them and haven't actually seen it yet), complete with shut off, 50A GFI, made for out by the tub, weatherproof, blah, blah, blah. I think it's the smartest way to go, and it'll leave me credit left over for whatever else I might need. I'll be able to get it done a lot faster (no cash out of pocket), feel a bit safer about it, and need to know that you'll walk me through some questions if I pick one up. What do you say, pal? Pleeaase....

My confidence is still high. Is yours? (I had to steal your line, it fit well)
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:05 PM   #94
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Honkabootyfonk,

An excellent choice. Don't forget you still need a regular 50Amp 2-pole breaker for in the panel. It's not nearly as spendy as the GFCI. You never said if your booty recovered from your fall! Your fans have been concerned. A fully recovered booty??? When do we get bikini clad photos of you and your anchorwoman friends? I know you have scads of them. I know it is probably chilly in Missouri....But the tub should be HOT! Best of luck and post the questions. Confidence is still high.

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Old 11-14-2007, 07:06 PM   #95
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Hey, Pal Andy... (Nope, it just doesn't sound right. Since you're such a dessert lover, how about.....)

Okay, Cupcake... (Much better.)

The regular 50A 2-pole I can swing without a problem, I'll be picking up the rest probably (hopefully) tomorrow. So until I get back with you after checking out my new purchase, I'll throw this info out there for ya' - the outlet that is rigged up out there now was done by splicing into the main wire and branching off, leaving the spliced wires with their little caps in the junction box. Not the right, or maybe I should say best, way to do it, correct? Having an outlet out there is pretty much a must, but there's not a whole lot of room left in the pvc that it's threaded through now. Talk to me about my options there, please.

As for the condition of my booty, I've left that one alone since I've got a sneakin' suspicion that you're the only one interested where that's concerned. From my vantage point, (among other things) with me falling (hard) on said booty while keeping my eyes protected with your recommended safety glasses this seems more like a sitcom than a soap opera. And darn it, I still haven't found the camera, so the pictures are just going to have to wait. Again, I'm pretty sure the interest there is yours alone. Between your level-headed advice, the funky names you're coming up with, and your apparent desire for pics I'm not sure if I should enroll in an electrical apprentice class or invite you into a friendly game of 'you-show-me-yours-and-I'll-show-you-mine'...

It is getting chilly here, today much more so than yesterday, so the sooner I can get us into the tub, the better. Oh, yeah... Stubbie thought I'd probably be able to use the existing wires, so I gave them a good look-over and they've been completely protected from the outside elements and all seems well. I'm hoping that's the case...

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Old 11-14-2007, 07:57 PM   #96
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Honkfudgebrowniebonk,

Cupcake huh...

I think you underestimate the interest...Anyone? Bueller, Bueller? I think I get the jist from the earlier posts that the wires from the panel come to a junction box, are cut and rejoined to continue on to the tub, but also have another set of wires going to the receptacle, right? If this is the case, then the wires that go to the outlet have to be discarded. Remove them from underneath the wirenut and reattach the wires going to the tub. But here is the rub. When you reattach the wires you have to make sure this connection is TIGHT. Are they under blue wirenuts? I'm hoping the spa pack will include a convenience recp. We shall deal with that tomorrow. We are not just telling you to get rid of this outlet for some obscure code reasons...This recp. is unsafe being protected by a 50A 2-pole breaker. We will figure something out. There is always candles . More romantic.

A hot tub is the perfect place for a game of "doctor". Every self respecting electrician knows that.

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Old 11-14-2007, 08:25 PM   #97
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Tootsie Pop,

Yep, you've got the jist of the outlet situation, and yes, they're wearing the little blue hats. (Ha, ha! Just havin' some girl fun... From now I'll remember that they're 'wirenuts', which is also a fun term...) I know you are all watching out for my and everyone else's best interest, so I trust whatever reasons you give for whatever changes need to be made. Thanks, though, for the explanations to help me get better educated on the subject.

And don't try dragging others into your little reindeer games about visual interest. I don't want anyone else feeling like they have to chime in on a subject off the main subject.
That's your department...

I'll probably be back here on Friday. Thanks for hanging in there...
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:44 PM   #98
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Honkappletartonk,

While your at the store...pick up some new wirenuts. The big blue ones are pricey...but I have my reasons. Remember, we have to remake that connection PERFECTLY. Take one of the wirenuts with you. The reason I recommend new is 'cause the big blues don;t always want to thread back on tight, especially if you are taking wires out of the tap. Does that make sense?

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Old 11-14-2007, 09:29 PM   #99
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Hello Honker

I'm still watching you....

I'm going to be on the road in and around Springfield, Mo. for a couple days then back home.

I still wish you had hired an electrician and I still wish you hadn't opened up that main panel having never been in one before. But thats water under the bridge at this point. I was in a holy "be jesus" state when you implied you had never been in a main panel. We generally give advice regardless but I really wonder if that is the right thing to do sometimes. Anyway I bailed out of the thread at that point but have reconsidered since your HARD HEAD won't listen and you are determined to do this regardless. Anyway its serious time so stay focused on your safety and ask questions...which you seem to be good at.

I think you have made a great decision with the spa panel, probably the most common choice for a disconnect/gfci protection by homeowners.

One thing I want to mention is that a neutral was ran all the way to this spa from the main panel which means this spa is dual voltage 120/240 volt. Provided this was done correctly in the first place.
I assume the previous owner said it was in working order??

You mentioned he just said to turn on the breaker and it was good to go? Odd that it isn't working though when you did that.

At the end of this post I'm going to show some images of the correct wiring and overall look. Some spas have spa packs that can be wired either way and it will tell you if the pack is wired 240 only or 120/240. but a neutral lug may exist whether you use it or not will depend on the way the spa pack was wired for your particular tub. We don't have this information so we will have to wait and see. There may be something that tells you this on the control panel of the spa. Anyway make sure you remember how the wires connected at the tub control panel...Should be L1,L2,N,and a place for the ground wire.

It would appear this is a 120/240 tub by the wiring that exists.

Just be freakin careful putting in the new breaker in the panel and close it up and stay the heck out of there...... Main breaker OFF and watch out for the always hot lugs those big ass wires are connected to. Stand on something that is non conductive while your working in the panel and don't wet your fingers to get a better grip on something....

We need to talk to you about a lot of different things before you get in that spa. so be a little more patient.

I'll be back in a few days so be careful. In the mean time the other guy...whats his name?? Oh Yeah...Cupcake or was it Tootsie Pop.... can take it from here....

And I wish you would consider having your local codes department come look at this installation for your own good. Small fee for a permit. Just give it some thought.

This is an image of what your going to end up with......


This is how your wiring should look, notice in the main panel the neutral will no longer connect to the breaker, this will happen at the new gfci location. Look at the diagram and follow the white wire to see how and where it terminates. The wires going to the tub leave the gfci at the bottom right. I'll be back Sunday but the electricians here can use this to help you.

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Old 11-15-2007, 02:38 PM   #100
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Oh...SNAP!!!

Stubbie is gonna be in the same State as the Honkster???? Could it be fate?!? Will Stubbie describe how Honker's cookies taste after he fixes the tub?!? Stayed tuned, kids....This could get good.

The guy who wishes he was "traveling " to MO!!!!

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Old 11-15-2007, 03:01 PM   #101
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Sorry, Andy I won't have the time to fix hot tubs, I'm off for a fishing trip. Leaving in the morning. You will just have to make the drive to MO. and fix it. Beside Honkster giving her exact location over the internet is worse than getting in a main panel......
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Hey Stubbie,

Thanks for the latest info, I so appreciate the time you've put in to help me out. I'll keep you posted on the wiring and what all I've picked up after I've checked it out. And I will be patient and not jump in until you give me the go ahead.

I would never impose on you to stop by and help me out with electrical work, even if I found out you'd be right next door. But I have been known to be good luck on fishing trips before...
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:03 PM   #103
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I could use some good luck fishing thats for sure but I'll have to leave the Honky Tonkin to the master from GA. One thing in case you get ahead of the game. The tub has a start up procedure. meaning you don't want to fire it up till you have it filled full of water so the pumps will prime and not run dry....make sense? Also have the t-stat on the heater down at it's lowest setting or off as it needs water over it or it will burn the heating element out.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:18 PM   #104
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Nobody loves a good fishin' trip more than me!!! What ya fishin' for Stub? I wore some small mouth bass OUT on a three day canoe trip down the Holston river 2 mos. ago!

Stubbies advice on this site is the best. None of the rest of us compete. Look forward to hearing from ya Honkster.
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Hello Andy...last post for the evening...unless i can't sleep thinking about all the big ones I'll be catching....


We will be fishing two lakes Truman Lake and Table Rock Lake about 1 1/2 hrs drive from each other. On Truman we will be fishing for Hybrid Striped Bass ( sometimes called Wipers as they are a cross between white bass and striped bass) and largemouth bass maybe a few crappie. On Table rock smallies and largemouth.

Will be with some good friends so should be a great time.

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