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Old 10-29-2007, 07:30 PM   #31
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BTW that did not sound like bon jovi. It sounded like Rush.

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Old 10-29-2007, 09:03 PM   #32
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Hey, jwhite...
Thanks for the info. I'll be waiting until tomorrow either way, but I sincerely appreciate your advice. It sure is tempting to get in there myself, but I guess that's all the more reason for me to think about it. I'll keep you posted, so please stay with me. And I think you might be right, it just might have been Rush... :-}
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:12 AM   #33
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Fix the tub and light using our wonderful advice. That is thanks enough. If you were my neighbor then it would definitely be cookies....I rewired my neighbors electric oven to gas for cheesecake.
How do you wire en electric oven to gas?
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:30 PM   #34
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47, you're right, That didn't sound right. I changed the 240V 40A feed to 120V 20A recp.

Honkinator,
I think you can do it. I've got confidence. CAREFULLY remove panel cover. Dont let it fall into the panel, bad news if you do. Once you have the cover off and you're looking at the guts, Use your "nothing fancy" meter to verify there is no voltage on the breaker. To do this, put one lead on the bar were all the bare naked (yes, I said nekked) wires are. Take the other lead and check each screw on the breaker. We both know there is no power, but check anyway. Remove the wires one at time and wrap the bare ends with tape so if they accidently flop back into the panel they won't be energized. See if the breaker resets then.

You see our goal here??? We are isolating this fault. Divide and conquer.

It coulda been Lynard Skynard ... Previous owner mighta been a redneck, and "freebird" always gets their bikini bottoms off quick!

Edit to add... If you kill the big ole main breaker at the top of the panel, while not completely safe, it is safer. Only the two big lugs where the main feed is coming in is hot then.

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Old 10-30-2007, 06:54 PM   #35
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Hey there, Andy...

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I jumped in there like you said and only got shocked once. Just kiddin'! Well, I was shocked, but that was when I was thinking about your cheesecake episode, not when I unhooked the breaker. :-}

The breaker is now unhooked and still won't trip, so in this divide and conquer session I've figured out that I have a naughty breaker, right? Geez, I hope I've done everything right so far and I'm not barking up the wrong tree. If so, it sure hasn't been for lack of guidance on everyone elses part. Thanks, again, for sticking with me this far. I think I can guess the next step, but if you're willing to keep the advice coming I'm more than happy to have the help.

I better take it easy on making cracks about the music and mood lighting... How do I know that it isn't Stubbie or Speedy that sold me the house?? And besides, what's wrong with mood lighting? ;-}
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:37 PM   #36
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Honkawonka,

The working for the neighbor for cheesecake was just that, chocolate oreo cheesecake. Now I did volunteer in Buras, La (75 miles south of NOLA) 11 mos. after Katrina for 12 days. The first order of business was wiring a FEMA Air conditioner For the volunteer Army tent. Imagine late July, 95deg in the shade, 100 percent humidity, And looking up to see the supertankers go by over the levee 'cause you're 20 or so feet BELOW FRIKKIN SEA LEVEL! Happy (and I mean happy) girl volunteers=cheesecake.


What kind of panel you got? You're gonna need to CAREFULLY remove that breaker from the panel. Everyone here would feel alot better if you killed the main to do this. The panels almost thirty years old and the breaker is probably gonna be stubborn. Not any old breaker will fit. It's gotta be the right one.

The reason you have to take the recp. off this circuit is because, depending on the wire size you eventually go with, it can only be protected with a 15A or 20A breaker. I'm sure it worked for years for the Bon Jovi-Rush-Lynard Skynard listening playa, but that doesn't make it right.

There is nothing wrong with moodlighting, although I prefer candles.
Patience is the key, this is much more fun DIY than hiring some scuzzy 'trician dude, isn't it?

P.S. Stubbie or Speedy would sell you a house that would be beyond the code!!

Edit to add: There is a 5% chance that when you install the new breaker it will trip as well. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Did the breaker fail just because, or did a fault elsewhere cause the breaker to fail??? Much easier being a plumber! When are you gonna quit your day job and start your electrical apprenticeship????

Don't be discouraged! I'm confident you'll be relaxing soon in the tub. Patience is key.

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Mr. Andy,

As far as what kind of panel I got, it says Cutler Hammer. (type cc, 200 amp... what all do you need off of it? I'm letting my 'girl' show through here.) So there's more to it than just taking the old on to the store to match it up... I better keep the day job for just a little longer. And I'd love to keep an outlet out there, and I'd love it even more if you think I could handle getting that done myself. (eventually, and of course with everyone's help... including Stubbie and Speedy if they didn't take my lame attempt at a joke too seriously... :-} )

You're so right, I'm diggin' doin' the work. Just last night the outside light on the back of the house flickered when we shut the door, and oddly enough I got a little excited over solving that mystery as well.

Thanks for the 5% warning, I'll be ready for anything. The patient part is not a problem with me and I'd rather do it right and enjoy my handy(andy)work in the end.

I'm ready and waiting for what else I need to know. And don't look now, but your charm is starting to show.
Well, a little bit, anyway...
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:06 PM   #38
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Honkytonk,

It may be as simple as taking your breaker into the store. Are the majority of your breakers black with light brown switchy things on them??? "Cutler Hammer" was probably the best answer you could have given us. For instance you could have said "Federal Pacific" or "Zinsco", In which case you would have heard me, Stubbie, Speedy, and Househelper to boot moan a collective sigh of frustrated disgust.

Tell me about your nothing fancy meter, Can you check continuity with it?? For instance, Since your wires are disconnected from the tub, and disconnected from the panel, we could check for shorts in the wire now. (but shouldn't have to unless that five percent thing springs up). When you go to the home center (I'm spoiled, I'm five minutes from 3) bring the breaker with you, I'm guessin' your going to find what you need. This breaker must be GFCI and it's not going to be cheap. Definitely cheaper than the aformentioned electrician dude, though.

As for the recp. start to study how the hot tub wire is routed from the panel to the tub. It is in pvc, but how big??? Do you see where I am going?? Start to think how you would get three more wires out there. They aren't going to be as big, If it was my house a 15A circuit would be plenty( we were talking romantic moodlights, right? not mongo big floodlights??? ) so the wires will be much smaller in diameter.

Stubbie and Petey will pounce if I miss something or make a mistake. That is the beauty of this website. And they know my feelings won't get hurt either.

Why not leave your day job??? Let me guess, are you the strikingly beautiful evening news anchorwoman In your large metropolitan market??? Probably roping in half a million a year???
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:55 PM   #39
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Sorry to step in the fun for a min but if you are refering to this type of breaker ??http://i11.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/f2/86/19_1_b.JPG

or this one ??

http://www.homedepot.ca/wcsstore/Hom...256f4d5c_4.jpg


there is two verison of this breaker to use in the CH breaker box the brown handle type is 3/4 inch wide for single pole arrangement and the black handle type as you see on the second photo that one is a inch wide


that will help alot more easier

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Old 10-31-2007, 04:10 PM   #40
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Marc, she ain't replied yet, but a 1978 house I'm guessing black with brown switches...We will see. Is any others listed for use in that panel???? Anyone???

Edit to add, I'm not convinces this tub is original to the house... so I'd be curious the name on the breaker itself. If the honka bonk would unpack her camera and snap some shots.... I want to see some with her new neighbors snappin' And the Honkster pointing stuff out.

Ya'll jump in early and often.

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Andy :

there are few other type of breaker but they are called "classifed " breakers but unforteally i dont have the drict listing with me right now ATM i am still looking for the listing

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I thought I've replaced these with newer cutler hammers with no problem, but I can't remember. Also, I know one of my supply houses has the old style-- We'll have to get more info from Honker. If she had no luck, and she is exceptionally sweet to me while fawning over my vast charms, I'll figure someway for her to get the breaker. I still think the homer depot will have something, though.

It seems I've played this scenario out several years ago with these breakers on more than one occasion.
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I thought I've replaced these with newer cutler hammers with no problem, but I can't remember. Also, I know one of my supply houses has the old style-- We'll have to get more info from Honker. If she had no luck, and she is exceptionally sweet to me while fawning over my vast charms, I'll figure someway for her to get the breaker. I still think the homer depot will have something, though.

It seems I've played this scenario out several years ago with these breakers on more than one occasion.

I am sure the big box store have this pretty common item as i know for sure majtory of them will stock most common breakers on the shelf for oddballs one it will get instering [ but dont get me into the european breakers they are more crazier than this ]

but really if this is a CH series* they havent change much for last 30-40 years just like SqD with thier QO series breakers as well.

but the early verison of CH breaker are black handled type they change to tan handled type so both are interchangable btw


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* note that the CH series sometime called Classic series as well
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Old 10-31-2007, 06:07 PM   #44
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Thanks French,

Confirms what I thought.
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Hi again, and happy November! Sorry for the delay in my response, I was looking for my camera. (unsuccessfully...)

Andy, you're right that the breakers are black with the light brown switchy things, and also that the hot tub is not original to the house. That was put in probably in the last several years, but maybe as far back as ten to fifteen. I won't get to getting another breaker until over the weekend sometime. And it's a double switchy, like the first one that Mr. French pictured, but with a 'test' button on it.

As for the type of tester, I got the one that Stubbie pictured back on page two. I'll take a closer look at the pvc size, etc and keep you posted there.

(and the sweet part I can probably hande if I need to, but what exactly is your definition of "fawning"? )

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