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Old 11-18-2007, 08:22 PM   #136
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:40 PM   #137
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Thanks Andy but I believe you may be over reacting......

Honker:

As for the receptacle it cant be closer than 10 feet to the spa side wall. I would prefer a cut in box so you don't have a bulky looking installation as bell boxes are generally for conduit but can be used for your installation if you want. Then you will need a "in use" weather cover installed over the bell box (see below images)This is sorta how things will go with a bell box. Do not silicone around the box.




DO NOT get the shallow depth bell box get the deepest bell box they have. GFCI's need a ton of room or they will not fit. Also the bell boxes come with a variety and number of threaded entries you only need a rear entry or rear entry and one bottom entry. The box is meant to have an air gap behind it to prevent water build up and allows water to run behind the box when it rains. You will see little raised areas on the back of the bell box that is what those are for. You are also required to clamp the cable to the box by a listed and approved means whether you are fishing cable or not. So you will need to thread a box connector /romex clamp like this into the back of the box. You will not need the lock nut. The hole you drill will need to be big enough to allow clearance for the clamp.

I would prefer you do a cut in box if we are dealing with a outside wall.




This is what you will have if you do a cut in box... a nice flush fit to the outside wall. So let us know which you would like.....it would appear to me that you are capable of installing either.

"IN USE" weatherproof cover mounted over "cut in" box


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Old 11-19-2007, 01:19 AM   #138
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If your not in a hurry for the receptacle AIFittings makes the lowest profile box I know of. Andy mentioned this earlier. This is your regional rep if your interested contact him and he will get you a box like this....you need one that will work for the type siding you have on the outside wall.

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Old 11-19-2007, 04:24 PM   #139
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Honktortillachipandsalsabonk,

What kind of siding do you have? I think the "cut-in" box is an excellent idea. It does take more skill, and you are a girl and all... . Stubbie's post was excellent as usual and really laid out your options. We anxiously await which you pick. Homer at the Depot will have gobs of cut in boxes. He may know them as "single gang remodel" boxes. You will have to trace the box on the wall and cut it pretty close to perfectly. Confidence is high, though as you are a smart cookie. The advantage it gives you (besides being not as fido's ass ugly) is a larger hole to fish through.

I think we were all hopin for scantily clad pic's of the Bonk performing this work, but as we approach the holiday season I fear we may be **** out of luck. It is chilly in Atlanta....So I suspect it is colder in Missouri...I'm guessin' Bonk would look like the little boy in "The Christmas Story". Y'all know the one.

Bonk's biggest fan,

Andy

PS: If we can stretch this thread out a couple hundred more posts and into June....No one ever said I wasn't a dreamer.

Edit to add: The easiest way to screw up a remodel box is to attempt to cut the box in on other than empty stud space. Measure carefully DIYers...

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Another thought on the outside outlet. Andy and/or Stubbie can tell you the straight scoop on this thought. It might be worth turning off the power to the inside outlet and taking a peak inside. It's common to daisy chain outlets, so you could have a power feed arriving at the outlet and the branch circuit continues to another outlet. Adding a third wire (romex) can be a challenge space wise unless it's a deep box. It is possible (not likely but possible) you could have a power feed and two wires (romex) heading to two different outlets and already have 3 wires. I think code limits the number of wires (romex) in an outlet box. Andy and/or Stubbie will know. I an not a pro.
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I was always told you were only limited only by the number of wires in a box by how many you can cram in with a 2x4 or the butt end of an Estwing 20 oz. hammer.

Just kidding, folks.

Spebby, you raise an excellent point. While adding a third wire (assuming 14/2 and 12/2 only, no switched outlets or Multi-wire branch circuits 14/3 or 12/3) is not a problem....If there is already three wires it very well could be a code violation. The Honkinator most definitely needs to open the recp(power off, of course) and determine how many wires are in her box BEFORE she wacks a whompin' big hole in the outside of her house.

Again, Spebby...An excellent call by a DIYer. Kudos to you. Who else sees a glaring error that we have made??? Join the fun.

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Hi, Stubbie...

I found an inside outlet the required distance away from the tub, and while it will still be protected from the porch roof I'd like to do a cut in, per your suggestion. A little more involved, a little more fun, and they look good. While I agree with Andy's comment that you are the man, I have to say I enjoyed you calling him out on his possible over-reaction a few posts back. I'm guessing he was hoping he'd be invited along when I buy you that drink on your next fishing trip... Have a great Thanksgiving.


Hey, Spebby...

Thanks for the tip - I'll be checking my wiring in the outlet this weekend and appreciate the help very much. Ditto on the Thanksgiving wishes.


Andy,

Well, I am "a girl and all" (you've decided to push it, I see), but Stubbie says it would appear that I could handle whatever outlet I choose. (Thanks, Stubbie!!) You're still being very helpful, which I appreciate, but why do you want to stretch this out if you're guessin' that I look like the little boy in "The Christmas Story"? I'll get back to you on the wire situation.

Happy Turkey Day...
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Hi Honker

I don't have a lot of time today but are you wanting a description on how to do the cut in box? Or are you understanding how that is done?

I'll have a few questions if that is what you need.....in the mean time I quickly found this http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/e...thick_wall.htm so check it out. It isn't exactly what your situation is but it will give you an idea of how it's done.
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Hi, Stubbie,

I don't think I have any questions yet, but wanted to say thanks for everything including your last post with more great info. I'll certainly be asking as they come up though.

Sincere wishes for a great holiday weekend...
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Your welcome and good turkey feasting to you. Gotta go for awhile .....bathroom needs cleaning.......

BTW it was 70 and Sunny yesterday and it is snowing and 21 now.

Daughter did her first touch and go with the cessna the other day........made her Daddy proud......
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Andy,

You're still being very helpful, which I appreciate, but why do you want to stretch this out if you're guessin' that I look like the little boy in "The Christmas Story"? I'll get back to you on the wire situation.

Happy Turkey Day...
Oh Hell no...That ain't what I said at all. What I said was I wanted scantily clad pictures of the (strikingly beautiful) Honkinator anchorwoman, but figured I was ass out of luck beings IT IS WINTER!!! If we stretch this sucker out it could bring us into SPRING OR EVEN FRIKKIN SUMMER!!! More to follow...

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Stubbie, I'm talented on a mini ex and a loader. Ya reckon I'd be coordinated enough to fly? Congrats to your daughter!

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Hey, I've got a quasi-related breaker question:
(not about the surgery)
The guys at the hardware store sold me a 'Mechanical Time Switch' to act as a timer for my electric hot water heater. The timer directions indicate that the timer can be used for 240V application and is 'single pole single throw'. Examining my breaker in the basement, there are two hot wires coming out of a double pole breaker going directly to my hot water heater; so my question is can I (safely and legally) use a single pole single throw mechanical switch on a 2-pole system to remove power?
Since this timer is not considered the disconnecting means, breaking only one line is considered okay. Here is a diagram of a sample hookup:

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