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Old 02-01-2011, 11:30 AM   #46
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Need advice on roof heat tape.


I know the gutter helmet people will install the heat cable, but will they actually sell the clips to DIY people? I could save half of what they are charging if I knew how to fasten that cable to the underside of the gutter helmets.

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Old 06-29-2011, 10:04 PM   #47
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Having large amounts of snow and ice on my roof last year I have decided that I need to install heat tape in the rain gutters. Heat tape companies state that you should run the tape in the gutters and in a zig-zag pattern along the eaves but that adds up to a LOT of tape and a much higher electric bill. I have 330 feet of gutters. I have spoken to several electricians and rain gutter folks and they say that all I need is to run the tape in the gutter as that is what needs to be kept free of ice. The house is new and has plenty of blown in insulation and plenty of attic ventilation.

Has anyone used this tape and if so, what has been your experience with it. Should I run the zig-zag pattern?

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I work For a company Up in Northern Michigan, Among Other things. We install Seamless Gutters and Gutters caps.

We have a product called. Michigan Gutter Cap. I am sure you have seen these kind of Caps before. They cover the gutters keeping leaves out. The attach to the gutter and the roof under the second Row of Shingles. They come in 70 Colors, and can also be stone coated to Match Shingles. The Cap is made of an X10 Alloy (Aluminum and Titanium).

If you have Ice Issues. A self Regulating Heat Cord can be attached to the top of this cap, Covered by another Small Piece of Aluminum. The Cord can come out of the Cap to go up valleys and down downspouts. They of course are not cheap, But They are far far more efficient. Both In terms of Energy Use, and ice Melting Ability. With these caps. You will have no icicles at all, And No Ice Dam all the way up to where the cap terminates under the second row of Shingles, and even a inch or so further up.

We don't work out your way so I'm Not trying to sell you anything here, Just letting you know it works extremely well. We offer it with a written Guarantee First that you will never have to clean out your gutters (Rarely enough Really small stuff will get past them, and we will send someone out to clean them out because the caps have to be removed to do it). Second that they can channel 14 Inches rain an HOUR! into your gutters with out being overwhelmed. (When installed correctly) Third (with Heater Cap) That you will have no Ice Dam below the second row of shingles.

They can be installed on Any Aluminum Gutters But I would advice against it on Seamed Ones. Better to go with Seamless gutters always. We actually will warranty a persons existing Seamless gutters for life against Any Damage to them, Or that they may cause if they were to break off do to ice, When they are not even our gutters.

Just google Heater Cap to check it out. I am sure there are plenty other products similar to it as well.

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Old 06-29-2011, 10:21 PM   #48
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I know the gutter helmet people will install the heat cable, but will they actually sell the clips to DIY people? I could save half of what they are charging if I knew how to fasten that cable to the underside of the gutter helmets.

There not fastened to the under side on Gutter Helmet or Our caps.

The Cable runs on top of the Cap, with another piece of Aluminum With a Bend in it the Cable fits perfectly into Sandwiching the Cable between the cap and the Aluminum Piece on top is More Efficient, It basically Turns the Heat Retaining Allloy in the cap into one big Heat Sink with the heat spead out evenly All over it. The Gutters them selves are Effectively Kept Working and Free of ice with just this Type of Instalation. So their is no need to Double the Expensive Regulated Heat Cable, or Zig Zag it. The Cable then Drops Down the Down Spouts and there you have it.



Now I suppose you could do this same Thing but on the underside of the cap, But if the caps already on, this way would of course be best. .

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Old 06-30-2011, 07:43 AM   #49
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Charles_M:
Interesting idea. So far, I like it! You have only a single SR cable attached under the sheet. Can I ask a few questions:

How is it attached to the existing cover?
You mentioned a single cable will heat that entire panel 12" up, did i understand that to be the case?
What do you do to heat the gutter itself?
How does the cable exit the panel and then get under the cover to run down the leader?
I'm presuming you're using 12wpsf SR cable, correct?
How does the 'bump" you're putting in the gutter cover affect water flow?
Is there an avg cost per square or linear foot?

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Interesting idea. So far, I like it! You have only a single SR cable attached under the sheet. Can I ask a few questions:

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How is it attached to the existing cover?
Sealed Rivets, or Screws Can be used. The one in the Picture was Done With Rivets I believe, before the Cap was installed.
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You mentioned a single cable will heat that entire panel 12" up, did i understand that to be the case?
I can't garuntee that on Gutter Helmet. Not sure what their Cap is made off. My company Has a patent Both on our rounded Nose Design, and the x10 Metal Alloy That is designed to be a very good Heat Retainer.
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What do you do to heat the gutter itself?
The Cap alone creates enough of a Micro Climate in the gutters to keep them Functioning. At least with our caps (we give a written Guarantee That when Installed Correctly the Gutters will be free of ice.
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How does the cable exit the panel and then get under the cover to run down the leader?
A Hole with a Rubber Grommet to Protect the cord from Cut Edges. It will of course have to raise up off the cap an inch or so to bend Safely Into the Hole.
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I'm presuming you're using 12wpsf SR cable, correct?
Always SR, But I think we use a couple different watt cords depending on how big the jobs, and how much the home owner wants to pay in Electric Bills. Of course less WPLF Could Reduce the effectiveness.
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How does the 'bump" you're putting in the gutter cover affect water flow?
Actually Helps slow the water down Before it rounds the corner into the Gutters. Increasing the Effectiveness of Surface Tension. If you notice our Caps even with out Heater Cap on them have 3 Smaller Bumps on them, For this Very Reason.
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Is there an avg cost per square or linear foot?
Well, If you have no caps right now, it Can be pretty damn high. Were talking High 40's Per Foot. However if you already have gutter Helmet, You should be able to get the Cord for around 10 Bucks a foot, and then all you need is the top Piece of aluminum and Rivets or Screws. One of the reasons Even the small Piece of aliminum That covers the cap isn't Cheap, is because it's also made of the Alloy, and Has all it's Edges Rounded So as not to damage the cord.

If you already have Gutter helmet, What I would do if it were my house. Is just but the Regulated Cord. Install it the traditional Way Zig Zaging From the Bottom of the Caps to where the Over hang of the roof ends. Then Of course you would also need Cord In the gutter and down Spouts, but the problem is Most Companies that sell the Caps, Will not sell them for you to install yourself. I've Tried to talk my boss into it, but he refuses. So, my 40 Bucks a foot is kinda a guess because all the pricing I know Includes Installation.

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Old 07-01-2011, 05:53 AM   #51
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I'm not the HO with the Gutter Helmet. He's the person who posted this thread. We're distributors and installers of line voltage and low voltage snow melting and roof de-icing systems in the northeast.

It all makes sense, however, I'm finding it hard to believe that a single SR cable mounted to the top plate will keep the gutter flowing as well. I completely get the idea of a "micro climate", but when it's 20 degrees out and the SR is having it's own trouble keeping up...

I also understand your boss not wanting HO's installing it themsleves. You can't cover a warranty when you didn't install it, let alone the liability issues.. does your guaranty fit all climates?

You may not have seen our roof de-icing system. It's a low voltage bronze screen that is stapled to the substrate and can be nailed through anywhere but where there's metal (dripedge or gutter straps) so the shingles are run right over the top. Nothing shows and there will be no snow or ice anywhere it is installed. We are also suppliers of 10 year SR cable that is very competive with Raychem. The temp/moisture sensor activates both the gutter and the roof. Often times just heating the gutter isn't enough. We can heat as far up a cold roof as needed to get into the area being heated by escaping heat from the home. This keeps it flowing to the ground.

We also have an under metal roof system that works in the same fashion.
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Not sure if this will go to the right place or not, but my question is in regard to ice dams also. We go away in the winter and because we had ice dams last winter we are very concerned about leaving the house. We USUALLY use the roof rake to keep the snow from building up on the eaves but if we're not here we cannot do that. If we leave heat tape in the gutter and down in the downspout and leave instructions to plug it in when it's below 32, would this be dangerous?
Do you have any suggestions? We bought heat tape last year and used it to melt the ice in the gutters but it was NOT fun to get on that ladder when it was so very cold. We also used old stockings (panty hose) full of ice melt and laid them on the roof to melt the ice and it actually worked very well but was NOT a very pretty site! We live in the suburbs of Chicago.
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You could use a temp activation device that plugs into the outlet and then activates the system when the temps drop below 38 degrees. It will stay on until the temps rise above 45 and then autom shut off. Leaving the cable on doesn't hurt anything as long as it doesn't have any cuts in the element.

The old "salt in the sock" routing may work but it's very destructive to all materials; the aluminum or copper gutters and asphalt shingles, if that's what you have.

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