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lrizzo2001 06-03-2012 06:05 PM

is my panel maxed out?
 
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I need to add a circuit for a window A/C unit, can I replace anymore circuits with a tandem?
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joed 06-03-2012 07:49 PM

looks like one on the left and four on the right are still single poles.
I also see some red wires indicating possible MWBC. Be careful when combining the circuits with red wires.

Jim Port 06-03-2012 07:50 PM

There should be a label that tells how many and what kinds of breakers can be installed in your panel. There may also be a diagram that would show if tandems are allowed.

lrizzo2001 06-03-2012 08:05 PM

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this is the label
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Jim Port 06-03-2012 08:20 PM

Based on the label and the wiring diagram and panel number I do not think any tandems are allowed.

Yoyizit 06-03-2012 09:03 PM

So is it allowed to mount a cartridge slo-blo fuse with holder inside the panel to accommodate the AC?

rrolleston 06-03-2012 09:21 PM

Looks like you would benefit from a service upgrade or at least minimum a panel upgrade. You have more than maxed out the capacity of the panel in the picture. All those MWBC with no handle ties.

Jim Port 06-04-2012 07:12 AM

Where would you mount a fuse holder in that panel? Do you think this would be a listed change?

As far as the lack of handle ties, the NEC only required them previously if both the hots landed on the same yoke.

k_buz 06-04-2012 07:24 AM

There are also at least three breakers installed in the panel that are not rated to be installed in this panel. Just because they fit, doesn't mean they are rated to be installed.

oops...not 3 breakers...one tandem and one 2 pole

joed 06-04-2012 07:50 AM

You need to upgrade the panel. You have 5 tandem breakers and that panel is not rated to accept any tandems.

lrizzo2001 06-04-2012 09:55 AM

thank you all for the information. I rent this house and the work you see in the panel is how it's always been, It's frustrating cause I can't run an A/C unit and a desk light without blowing a fuse. The house has very old wiring with mostly ungrounded 2-prong outlets. I don't think it would be necessary to run all new wiring to the entire house, but I would like to run 2 to 3 new lines to dedicated outlets for wall mounted A/C units.

Without doing a complete overhaul, what would be the best solution to be able to add circuits? I'm not an electrician and would not be doing the work other than running the new lines which is pretty simple in this house, but can this be
done by simply replacing the panel with one that can handle more?

I'm sure that if everything in the house was turned on I would not be exceeding the capacity of the box itself, but it's more or less the outdated wiring that cannot handle the loads individually.

Again, I rent here, so I would be making the suggesting to my landlord, so I would like to give him a solution that won't be too costly, but would benefit the house and at the same time correct any of the work in the current panel that WASN'T done correctly.

Thanks guys.

Jim Port 06-04-2012 10:09 AM

The panel shown is a 100 amp with space for 12 breakers. A normal 100 amp main breaker panel will have 20 breaker spaces. The panel could be swapped out or if breakers are available a subpanel could be added.

lrizzo2001 06-04-2012 10:33 AM

So I could
1) simply swap out the panel for one with 20 breakers, and just make sure the new circuits are using the new wiring.

2) Install a Sub Panel and run the a/c lines to it.

3) Does a sub panel get connected to one of the existing breakers? or is it
ran directly to the main service line at the top of the existing panel?



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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 935981)
The panel shown is a 100 amp with space for 12 breakers. A normal 100 amp main breaker panel will have 20 breaker spaces. The panel could be swapped out or if breakers are available a subpanel could be added.


Jim Port 06-04-2012 10:59 AM

Two circuits would need to move from that panel to the subpanel to make room for a two pole breaker to feed the sub.

lrizzo2001 06-04-2012 11:12 AM

Gotchya, I think I can actually handle that myself, I'll just kill the main breaker at the top and relocate the circuits, assuming they will reach the sub panel.

thanks a lot.

What if anything should I do about the many tandem circuits that improperly installed?


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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 936025)
Two circuits would need to move from that panel to the subpanel to make room for a two pole breaker to feed the sub.



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