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08-14-2012, 09:45 PM
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Also, under #2:
Funny, electrical is not mentioned at all, but plumbing and HVAC are.
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Electrical and plumbing have their own license. All other trades use that Home Improvement license.
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08-14-2012, 09:48 PM
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my electrician walked out on me
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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
Also, under #2:
Funny, electrical is not mentioned at all, but plumbing and HVAC are.
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Home improvement includes the construction, installation, replacement, improvement, or repair
of driveways, sidewalks, swimming pools, terraces, patios, landscaping, fences, porches, windows,
doors, cabinets, kitchens, bathrooms, garages, basements and basement waterproofing, fire
protection devices, security protection devices, central heating and air conditioning equipment, water
softeners, heaters, and purifiers, solar heating or water systems, insulation installation, aluminum
siding, wall-to-wall carpeting or attached or inlaid floor coverings, and other changes, repairs, or
improvements made to residential property. Construction of a new residence is not considered a
home improvement under the Act.
In a round about way.
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08-14-2012, 09:50 PM
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Electrical and plumbing have their own license. All other trades use that Home Improvement license.
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Perhaps you should read the entire document.
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08-14-2012, 09:52 PM
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Perhaps you should read the entire document.
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How about you answer my post and tell me your point instead?
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08-14-2012, 09:54 PM
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In a round about way.
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That does not cover electrical work. NJ has a contractor's license for electric and said electrician is not required to have the Home Improvement license. This is a well known fact and it was also something that I discussed with Suzanne Borek directly.
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08-14-2012, 09:56 PM
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Sorry, you are wrong. It is actually $200.00 and can be found here on page 45 item #12.. |
I'm sorry, a written contract for $200 or $500 is a freakin' JOKE! $500 is a half days work for me. For a $200 job it would take longer to make out the contract than to do the job.
Does everyone in NJ get a signed written contractor for such small crap???
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08-14-2012, 09:58 PM
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I'm sorry, a written contract for $200 or $500 is a freakin' JOKE! $500 is a half days work for me. For a $200 job it would take longer to make out the contract than to do the job.
Does everyone in NJ get a signed written contractor for such small crap???
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Absolutely, I have them sign my tablet and I e-mail or mail them a copy (or bring it with me if I come back soon for something else).
It takes me a minute or less to fill in a couple small details about the job and the price.
Those small jobs are the ones that the customers complain about at the end and sometimes don't want to pay, that's why I get it in writing. "I'm not paying $200, you were only here for 45 minutes!!" I'm sure you've heard it.
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08-14-2012, 10:00 PM
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How about you answer my post and tell me your point instead?
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My point is that either way had the OP had a signed contract he probabely would have avoided all the problems he is having.
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08-14-2012, 10:00 PM
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Absolutely, I have them sign my tablet and I e-mail or mail them a copy (or bring it with me if I come back soon for something else).
It takes me a minute or less to fill in a couple small details about the job and the price.
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Wow. WAY more work than it's worth. I mean for those small numbers. I can see for $1 grand or more, definitely.
I can also see the tablet/iPad thing working. Make out a boiler plate and fill in job specifics.
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08-14-2012, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
I'm sorry, a written contract for $200 or $500 is a freakin' JOKE! $500 is a half days work for me. For a $200 job it would take longer to make out the contract than to do the job.
Does everyone in NJ get a signed written contractor for such small crap???
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It is designed to protect the HO from the contractor, and the contractor from the HO. MOre or less.
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08-14-2012, 10:01 PM
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My point is that either way had the OP had a signed contract he probabely would have avoided all the problems he is having.
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I agree with that. But as I originally said, the document you linked to doesn't govern electrical work.
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08-14-2012, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Venter
Absolutely, I have them sign my tablet and I e-mail or mail them a copy (or bring it with me if I come back soon for something else).
It takes me a minute or less to fill in a couple small details about the job and the price.
Those small jobs are the ones that the customers complain about at the end and sometimes don't want to pay, that's why I get it in writing. "I'm not paying $200, you were only here for 45 minutes!!" I'm sure you've heard it.
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What about T&M? Do you have to have a contract stating all the terms before hand?
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08-14-2012, 10:02 PM
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I agree with that. But as I originally said, the document you linked to doesn't govern electrical work.
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SHot from the hip. It is the second link.
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08-14-2012, 10:03 PM
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Wow. WAY more work than it's worth. I mean for those small numbers. I can see for $1 grand or more, definitely.
I can also see the tablet/iPad thing working. Make out a boiler plate and fill in job specifics.
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I added something to my last post.
And it's not WAY more work. Even if you want to do it on paper, just fill in what you did on a standard invoice. "Added receptacle in kitchen" "Diagnosed shorting circuit" Etc. Then put a price on it. All the legalese should already be on the invoice.
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08-14-2012, 10:03 PM
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What about T&M? Do you have to have a contract stating all the terms before hand?
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The contract should spell out all the details such as rate etc.. It could also have a not to exceed term.
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