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Old 08-14-2012, 03:27 PM   #61
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We must be talking about different things then.

A normal invoice that I give customers may look something like this:

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200A service change- $2,700
(7) high hats, dimmer, home run- $1,900
50A welder receptacle- $550
Generator inlet, interlock- $750

Total- Whatever it adds up to.
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That is the same as what you get from a restaurant or supermarket. That is not an issue, I have no problem giving that to the customer.

The problem is when they want everything itemized, as in material, markup, labor, etc.

Not only does that take time, but it reveals all of my costs. When the customer sees that, they usually think that money all goes right into my pocket and think to themselves "He makes way too much money!" and then complain.
I would call that an itemized bill. I normally deal with T&M invoices with a little more detail.

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I would call that an itemized bill. I normally deal with T&M invoices with a little more detail.
If you want to play semantics, you will have to find someone else.

I don't know any electrician that would have a problem with writing out an invoice like I put in my last post.

I don't believe that is what the electrician here are talking about when they say that they won't write out an itemized invoice.
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I believe only lawyers are more than happy to present their clients with line itemized bills, as it would seem "billable" hours include the time they spend sitting on the toilet thinking about your case, and billable items include that roll of toilet paper on which they wiped while thinking about your case…
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If you want to play semantics, you will have to find someone else.
About what?
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:15 PM   #65
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thanks for the replies all...

- 2300sf 4br/3ba/2-car garage/2-story colonial, new construction, unfinished basement, walls completely open
- location: nj
- my electrician wanted to do a cash deal for $10.1k so he said no contract
- i pulled a permit as the homeowner... he's not on it but he did the 200a service upgrade and he is on that permit...
- after we agreed on price he started the work... a week goes by then he tells me about all the extras that are required by code... at this point he was encouraging me to do more since "you can do whatever you want, the walls are open"... for some reason, i thought this would be included in the original price... obviously i was so wrong...
- this electrician happens to be a very close friend of a buddy of mine which is why this is so disappointing...
- i asked 3 times for the breakdown which he said he'd get for me but he kept dancing around the issue and only came up with the few prices i listed at which point he brought up leaving the job
- in my rough calculations, the extras should have been at most $3k since it was about 25% more work based on the original estimate

should i just stop asking about the breakdown and cough up the $6k? i'm told that this was one of your typical "lowball-the-bid-to-get-the-job-then-gouge-later-to-make-up-for-it" scenarios... is this way off base?

it's interesting to get everyone's perspective on this matter...

thanks again.
First, what you have done is provide false and misleading information on a permit application. You completely ignored the "Certification in lieu of oath" located on the inside the first page of the permit jacket. You know, right above where you signed the jacket stating you were going to do the work yourself. Follow this link to a thread I started for DIY'ers in New Jersey.

Second, New Jersey state law requires a written and signed contract for any work over $500.00.

Third, had you had a signed contract, you would not have had to make final payment until after the CO is obtained.

You have done everything possible to circumvent the very laws that are in place to protect you.

Good luck. You will need it.
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About what?
About how we are defining an itemized invoice.
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About how we are defining an itemized invoice.
I said i would call yours an itemized invoice but i was used to getting more detail on T&M invoice I receive.
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This would have helped you out. Link.
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I said i would call yours an itemized invoice but i was used to getting more detail on T&M invoice I receive.
It's clear that you are just looking for an argument.
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This would have helped you out. Link.
This is for that Home Improvement license. Line 24 says that it's not for Electrical. I never got the Home Improvement license and never needed it, just another expense that I don't care to pay.

I don't think anything in that link applies to this thread.
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It's clear that you are just looking for an argument.
Not at all.
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This is for that Home Improvement license. Line 24 says that it's not for Electrical. I never got the Home Improvement license and never needed it, just another expense that I don't care to pay.

I don't think anything in that link applies to this thread.
Sorry, you are wrong. It is actually $200.00 and can be found here on page 45 item #12..
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This is for that Home Improvement license. Line 24 says that it's not for Electrical. I never got the Home Improvement license and never needed it, just another expense that I don't care to pay.

I don't think anything in that link applies to this thread.
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Home improvement includes the construction, installation, replacement, improvement, or repair
of driveways, sidewalks, swimming pools, terraces, patios, landscaping, fences, porches, windows,
doors, cabinets, kitchens, bathrooms, garages, basements and basement waterproofing, fire
protection devices, security protection devices, central heating and air conditioning equipment, water
softeners, heaters, and purifiers, solar heating or water systems, insulation installation, aluminum
siding, wall-to-wall carpeting or attached or inlaid floor coverings, and other changes, repairs, or
improvements made to residential property. Construction of a new residence is not considered a
home improvement under the Act.
Funny, electrical is not mentioned at all, but plumbing and HVAC are.
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Sorry, you are wrong. It is actually $200.00 and can be found here on page 45 item #12..
What am I wrong about and when did I mention a price?
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