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Old 08-14-2012, 12:28 AM   #46
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hi...

my electrician walked out on me because i asked him to itemize everything since i wasn't happy about his "extras" that he's charging me for... i already paid him $9500 of the original $10k bid but he only finished about 80% of the work...

there were a number of extras that he recommended as well as some that i requested... he decided to jack up the bid to $16.3k... which included a charge of $1650 for cat6 wiring to 6 locations, $500 for a dedicated 15a circuit for a whirlpool bath... there were 7 more switches, 13 more receptacles, 5 more recessed lights, 16 more lighting locations and 1 more smoke detector... is that $6k worth of "extras"?

anyway, i've decided to go with someone else to finish up but so far nobody wants to finish up others' work... worst case i'm thinking is i'll do it myself... i already wired a 15a dedicated circuit for my whirlpool tub with no issues so i think i'm up to the challenge...

i just need some guidance to make sure i don't electrocute myself...


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I wrote the underline part .,,

Very simple alot of electricians will not touch it becasue we do not know what they done with it and they will not put their name on that job in case something is screw up.

There are some extempts I can do only with legit reason.

Merci,
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:48 AM   #47
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If you're the type of guy who would sick the IRS on someone over something like this I bet you have tons of friends and are a barrel of laughs at parties.
It was just an option for the OP. If you don't like the option, don't use it. You don't know me. There was no need for the schoolyard insult.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:53 AM   #48
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It was just an option for the OP. If you don't like the option, don't use it. You don't know me. There was no need for the schoolyard insult.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:34 AM   #49
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As has been stated, you both are at fault because the scope of work and the amount was not put on paper.

cash = no taxes.
no taxes = 30%+ more in his pocket.

Tell him you're going to send a 1099 for the work.
That should get him to pay attention.
He won't want to be on the IRS's radar.
And the OP knowingly participated in this, and knowingly got a "homeowners permit" when he knew he wasn't going to do the work. Maybe they could share a cell? And maybe share the love?
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It was just an option for the OP. If you don't like the option, don't use it. You don't know me. There was no need for the schoolyard insult.
Maybe, maybe not.

"Do my work, or I'll narc you out to the IRS"

Isn't that extortion?
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:35 PM   #51
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you electricians should be happy to itemize any time a homeowner asks.

Just add in a line for Project Management. x hours times your standard hourly rate. additional hours for PM added as needed.

that said, itemizing should only be asked for before work has been signed off to start.

most of the itemized quotes i have seen for electrical show miscellaneous materials. the only time a specific material is listed if it is uncommon for that vendor to use and they need to get a whole case/spool etc like gel filled cat5/6 or dual sheilded coax or a particular NEMA enclosure or the like. standard cable, boxes, wire nuts and all that crap goes under the misc line or is included with the lines for each run.
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Just add in a line for Project Management. x hours times your standard hourly rate. additional hours for PM added as needed.
So when the job is done and the invoice is handed over to the customer and they then inform you that they want it broken down, then you should add more to the job? Yeah, that will go over well.
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To that guy who said that he always gets an itemized bill when he buys something, does he get one from a restaurant? A supermarket? Does he write Coca-Cola and have them itemize where every cent went on the bottle of soda that he bought?

I can't remember the last time I received an itemized bill, I would never expect one, and as an electrician I would never give one. Usually a customer asking for an itemized bill is a sure sign of them being a pain in the ass who is going to complain about the price the entire time, so I will always say NO to itemizing and I will also add a 20% "Pain in the ass" charge to the total. Either I don't get the job and I'm happy or I get the job and I have extra money to buy headache medicine.

As for the OP, I am an NJ licensed contractor, what you have done by obtaining a permit yourself while hiring someone to do the work is illegal. It's time for you to cut your losses. The reason you can't get another contractor to finish is because you outted yourself as a bad customer and no one wants to deal with you.

What you did was wrong, you should have been on top of the extra work instead of expecting it to be for free. You offended your contractor for no reason, it's time you buy him a couple cases and apologize.

Just so you know, the whole reason why contractors bid low on the job and then look for extras is because most customers only care about price, they go with the lowest bid even if the higher bid has more value to it (such as more work done or better quality material, etc.)
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So when the job is done and the invoice is handed over to the customer and they then inform you that they want it broken down, then you should add more to the job? Yeah, that will go over well.
I've done that, and it works out well. I'll usually explain that we don't don't itemize our invoice as company policy and go into a little bit of detail why. But sometimes I am feeling frisky so I'll tell them that I'll happily itemize it but it'll be an extra 4 hours of time added on. They never go for it, but they also stop asking for it to be done
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We are specifically told to bid on the print, do not add what is necessary by code just for that reason.

A perfect example is show window lighting. There are never receptacle to cover the show windows and everyone knows we need them by code, but we don't price those as it will increase the bottom line and the GC will then not get the job.
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So when the job is done and the invoice is handed over to the customer and they then inform you that they want it broken down, then you should add more to the job? Yeah, that will go over well.
just let them know office time is billable same as field time.

if the original contract does not call for itemizing, that's added expense.

anything added to the scope of the work once the quoted amount is agreed upon, is an add on, whether its actual added electrical work or office work.
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anything added to the scope of the work once the quoted amount is agreed upon, is an add on, whether its actual added electrical work or office work.
Or having to drive back to the supply house because the customer wanted to supply some material but didn't know exactly what was needed
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Can we just shoot this horse already?

This is Ford vs. Chevy, tastes great vs. less filling, Mary Ann vs. Ginger, etc.

Blue collar and white collar will never get the other. I get what the OP is saying, but at the same time I am a CPA whose billing is rather general.

This is an example of the worse that could happen in this situation.

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To that guy who said that he always gets an itemized bill when he buys something, does he get one from a restaurant? A supermarket?
I have to turn in itemized restaurant bills to get reimbursed on my expense account. I have never seen a supermarket that did not give an itemized bill.
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I have to turn in itemized restaurant bills to get reimbursed on my expense account. I have never seen a supermarket that did not give an itemized bill.
We must be talking about different things then.

A normal invoice that I give customers may look something like this:

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200A service change- $2,700
(7) high hats, dimmer, home run- $1,900
50A welder receptacle- $550
Generator inlet, interlock- $750

Total- Whatever it adds up to.
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That is the same as what you get from a restaurant or supermarket. That is not an issue, I have no problem giving that to the customer.

The problem is when they want everything itemized, as in material, markup, labor, etc.

Not only does that take time, but it reveals all of my costs. When the customer sees that, they usually think that money all goes right into my pocket and think to themselves "He makes way too much money!" and then complain.

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