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Old 08-13-2012, 01:26 PM   #31
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Maybe we just work it differently.

20 recepts....$2000
6 cat6 home runs...$1600
7 single pole switches....$700

That is as itemizes as we get.
BINGO!
This IS "itemized".

saladdin and others, if you want more itemization than that you can take solace in the fact that I would never work for you and you wouldn't have to worry about it.
The ONLY time I itemize is small or troubleshooting jobs that are done T&M. Then you get a list of material, ONE total material price, and the hourly rate for the work.
Thing is, bigger jobs have a LOT of time off site, and most people are not willing to pay for that time since you are not standing on their property working, so that time gets rolled into the "contract" or unit pricing.

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Here is an example of Andrew's point:


If you don't like this, don't ask for extras and make sure EVERYTHING you might want is in the original contract.
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Maybe we just work it differently.

20 recepts....$2000
6 cat6 home runs...$1600
7 single pole switches....$700

That is as itemizes as we get.
this is all i was looking for.
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You've also got to remember that the cost of trucks, gas, licensing, insurance(yes he should have it), tools, etc. Is also absorbed by the customer. People wonder why tradesmen are so expensive.
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Friend, please take a few things into consideration.

10k for that size house is a damn good price.
It looks like hes doing a neat job. Good work is invaluable.
For the difference of maybe $1000 less, is your friendship woth it.
No other professional is going to take this job.
Cash price = NO Breakdown.

If you are both grown men, im sure this can be resolved over a few cold ones.
If you dont want to pay for extras, have him finish the original work for 10k.
Maybe if youre capable you could buy and run the Cat6 yourself to save a few bucks.

There is room to work this out reasonably, but the way i see, by getting a bid of 10k
Even paying a bit more for the extras youre still coming out on top.

My only advice, work it out and be friends
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As has been stated, you both are at fault because the scope of work and the amount was not put on paper.

cash = no taxes.
no taxes = 30%+ more in his pocket.

Tell him you're going to send a 1099 for the work.
That should get him to pay attention.
He won't want to be on the IRS's radar.
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As has been stated, you both are at fault because the scope of work and the amount was not put on paper.

cash = no taxes.
no taxes = 30%+ more in his pocket.

Tell him you're going to send a 1099 for the work.
That should get him to pay attention.
He won't want to be on the IRS's radar.
Empty threat unless you have his SSN or TIN
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I dont give a breakdown for the same reasons as the others. Too much nitpicking. Do you ask mcdonalds for an itemized breakdown of your big mac?
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Empty threat unless you have his SSN or TIN
Wrong, sort of. Send the guy a W-9 with signature confirmation. If he refuses to return it with the info, you submit the 1099 anyway and leave the SSN blank. The IRS will match it up by name and address. You may get a $50 penalty. I'd guess $10K is above their "let it slide" limit and would be very interested to know about this guy.
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I dont give a breakdown for the same reasons as the others. Too much nitpicking. Do you ask mcdonalds for an itemized breakdown of your big mac?
How about bringing your own steak to a steak house and only asking them to charge you to cook it?
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cash = no taxes.
no taxes = 30%+ more in his pocket.
Cash ALSO=lower priced job.
The whole point of offering to pay cash is to get a lower price. If you are not going to get a lower price WHY offer cash???
Everything is not about contractors lining their pockets.




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Tell him you're going to send a 1099 for the work.
That should get him to pay attention.
He won't want to be on the IRS's radar.
As stated, empty silly threat.
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Wrong, sort of. Send the guy a W-9 with signature confirmation. If he refuses to return it with the info, you submit the 1099 anyway and leave the SSN blank. The IRS will match it up by name and address. You may get a $50 penalty. I'd guess $10K is above their "let it slide" limit and would be very interested to know about this guy.
If you're the type of guy who would sick the IRS on someone over something like this I bet you have tons of friends and are a barrel of laughs at parties.
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Wrong, sort of. Send the guy a W-9 with signature confirmation. If he refuses to return it with the info, you submit the 1099 anyway and leave the SSN blank. The IRS will match it up by name and address. You may get a $50 penalty. I'd guess $10K is above their "let it slide" limit and would be very interested to know about this guy.
Pay $50 to the IRS to try to mess with a friend of a friend that is at most "overcharging" by a few hundred bucks Plus all the bs paperwork to actually file a 1099. And if you knew how many unmatched 1099s the IRS doesnt have time to reconcile. they can barely keep up with the notices for the 1099s with SSNs that dont show up on the recipients returns...

Stickboy was right. this thread is useless.

I should note that I had my panel and service replaced in June by a great electrician and 1. I didnt ask for a cost breakdown and 2. the pictures of the panel the OP attached are more professional than the way my panel looked when my EC was done with it.
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From what I know about NJ from reading other forums with electricians from that area, you have committed fraud anyway.
Paying someone else for the work and getting a HO permit is fraud in most states.
I doubt you would have a court case just for this little fact.
My breakdown goes something like this.
Cans light XXX @ $150 ea.
3 way switches XXX @$75 ea.
Single pole switches XX @$45 ea
and so on and so on.

The bottom line would read XXX dollars for above listed materials and labor.
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From what I know about NJ from reading other forums with electricians from that area, you have committed fraud anyway.
Paying someone else for the work and getting a HO permit is fraud in most states.
I agree... this is not allowed, and wrong by both parties involved. As the permit carrier you are taking on FULL responsibility for someone else's work... And all you saw was saving a few so called dollars... Seems like it didnt work out so great.

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