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Old 02-21-2004, 09:39 PM   #1
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I am wiring my friend's basement. While I know that NEC 2002 requires a 20A dedicated circuit for a bathroom, why?

I would like to use a 20A circuit for the bathroom, but I'd like to extend it to include 2 GFCI's for the adjacent bar.

Is there a problem (outside of code, which will not be inspected) with doing this?

Originally, I had planned on 2 circuits because the bar will have high wattage appliances, yet I can't envision someone cooking a pizza while another dries their hair!

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Old 02-22-2004, 07:31 PM   #2
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Code is code, that's why.
If this were a half bath with no tub or shower, off the record I'd say go ahead. But you didn't hear that from me.

Somethings in the code do not make sense at all, and many of us disagree with parts but we have to abide.
You are allowed to feed ALL the receptacles in all the bathrooms with that one circuit, but you cannot feed two bar receptacles. Does this make sense??? I think no.
When I am Czar I will make the code One 20 amp circuit minimum per FULL bath. Period. No sharing.
When I run for Czar will you vote for me? Thanks! :p
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Answers based on the 2008 & 2011 NEC. If you're on the '14 already I feel sorry for you.
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Apparently you have no daughters. Imaging if you will.......blow dryer, curling iron, hot rollers......................
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Old 02-25-2004, 11:02 PM   #4
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This is exactly what the NEC is for.
Let's say that you bought his house and didn't like the bar. You install an entertainment center assuming that the home is wired correctly. It's early morning and you have the big screen fired up, watching the news, your sound system is on so is the cable box and your daughters are in the next room getting ready to go to school when the whole system fries all the way to the breaker box. Unlikely, yes but it happens all of the time.
Maybe the seller was tripping the breaker and replaced it with the next size up, never thinking of the wiring that connected it. At this moment it doesn't matter because you have a house fire and your kids are involved.
I am against DIY electrical. I am a remodeling contractor and understand it up to 3 phase. I also have a full time journeyman electrician to ensure code and pass inspections. He works on my home too.
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Tee, I value your experienced opinion but I must disagree somewhat.
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when the whole system fries all the way to the breaker box.
This will almost certainly not happen. We are talking about new wiring. #12 wire has a rating of 25 or 30 amps although we can only put it on a 20 amp breaker.
I don't want to make the impression that we should circumvent the code. But like I said, a receptacle in a half bath gets almost no use. I firmly believe in running a dedicated 20 amp circuit to every full bath. The exception in the code to share a circuit with all bath receptacles in the house is ludicrous.
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Speedy, maybe I went a bit over the top on that one but I was trying to make the impression that trying to cheat the devil doesn't work out in the end. Sooner or later some poor SOB is going to have to figure out what some rube has done and correct it. I am that poor SOB about once every 4 months and it PO's customers. Sorry if I took a chance on stopping a problem before it got started.
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Despite my prior post, I have decided to follow code and keep the bathroom circuit seperate. It just seemed like overkill, but code is code.

Thanks to thos ethat replied to my question!
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Bob , you're a stand up guy. Shortcuts seldom pay. Having everything inspected relieves you from responsibilty.
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