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12-03-2008, 04:30 PM
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Ok I need a ladder diagram with three motors, but only one motor can be on at a time. Someone please help me.
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12-03-2008, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pudge565
Ok I need a ladder diagram with three motors, but only one motor can be on at a time. Someone please help me.
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Homework?
Can you use a rotary switch or do you need relay logic?
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12-03-2008, 06:30 PM
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Hopefully it isn't as simple as a rotary switch, I would suspect relay logic or latched start.
Pudge... I don't think we have a problem helping you but could you at least give us your ideas first and then we can connect the dots....
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12-03-2008, 11:00 PM
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Ok well I was strapped for time when I posted. I will write it on a peice of paper and turn it in. I would make a picture and upload it but I really suck at paint. And if you are talking PLCs no he just wants it with relays. I will take a stab at it so I at least get credit. Could you at least tell me how many N.O. and N.C. contacts are in it?
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12-03-2008, 11:08 PM
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Yes but can you verify this for me..... your design is one start/ stop controlling three motors. When you start the equipment one motor runs then shuts off then the next motor runs and shuts off then finally the third...is that what your after...?
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12-03-2008, 11:15 PM
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I think (but not completely sure) he just wants logic to mutually exclude the other two motors when one is switched on. Basically an interlock.
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12-04-2008, 09:19 AM
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I think (but not completely sure) he just wants logic to mutually exclude the other two motors when one is switched on. Basically an interlock.
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Yes this is what I wanted.
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12-04-2008, 09:59 AM
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Use three way switches. Power to common on first 3 way motor control switch. Motor to one traveler and power feed to second motor on other traveler. Switch motor on and no feed to next motor. Daisy chain as many as need putting feed from previous traveler on the common of next motor switch.
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12-04-2008, 10:26 AM
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Use three way switches. Power to common on first 3 way motor control switch. Motor to one traveler and power feed to second motor on other traveler. Switch motor on and no feed to next motor. Daisy chain as many as need putting feed from previous traveler on the common of next motor switch.
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I need to use relays and start stop switches. I am going to draw one up if it is wrong so be it. He will give us a theory lesson on it.
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12-04-2008, 10:51 AM
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Each motor needs a motor starter (contactor). Each contactor comes with one NO or NC contact on board or both. All you have to do is make sure each motor is electrically interlocked so only one contactor at a time can close (start motor). The sky is the limit on how you want your circuit to behave. I cannot paint or show you a drawing in this format. Maybe someone else can help further.
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12-04-2008, 11:22 AM
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Here's one way it can be done
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12-04-2008, 11:35 AM
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Heres a way using a 3 position selector switch
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12-04-2008, 12:06 PM
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Here's one way it can be done
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I would have to disagree with this one....how are you going to start anything if all contacts open on energizing the ladder circuit? No action has been taken to interlock the motors. Some action has to take place to open or close the contacts on each rung of the ladder to cause the other two motors to not run. I read the logic as I will not be able to start any motor because the motor contacts are located to the left of the action on all rungs. I agree with the rest of the diagram. Maybe my logic is rusty??
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12-04-2008, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Stubbie
I would have to disagree with this one....how are you going to start anything if all contacts open on energizing the ladder circuit? No action has been taken to interlock the motors. Some action has to take place to open or close the contacts on each rung of the ladder to cause the other two motors to not run. I read the logic as I will not be able to start any motor because the motor contacts are located to the left of the action on all rungs. I agree with the rest of the diagram. Maybe my logic is rusty??
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It will work, but you must add another contact block. If M1 is on, the NC contacts of M1 open and M2, and M3 will not start.
M1 must be turned off before another motor can start.
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12-04-2008, 04:06 PM
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Yes I agree, the closing of M1 sealing contact must occur and be the action that opens M2 and M3. Then on down the ladder in similar fashion. What I'm trying to do here is to get Pudge to interact with us so he can learn the concept.
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