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KE2KB 01-06-2009 01:20 PM

More than one cable in NM connector?
 
I've got another question, kind of related to the one about the wire I posted earlier.

I've noticed that the electrician who installed the CH panel in my home ran two NM cables through some of the NM connectors.
Are there connectors designed for more than one cable, ie; is this code?
It's not that I'm going to pull them out and punch another knockout, but I am curious. The panel passed inspection.

Thanks

rgsgww 01-06-2009 01:24 PM

Its ok only if the clamp is rated for more than two cables, this is done all of the time. Don't worry, its perfectly fine.

KE2KB 01-06-2009 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgsgww (Post 208097)
Its ok only if the clamp is rated for more than two cables, this is done all of the time. Don't worry, its perfectly fine.

Thanks for your quick reply;
It looks as though the connectors are big enough to accomodate the two cables. Nothing appears squeezed or pinched.
I don't think it would be OK in the old metallic "Romex" connectors. I have stopped using those, even though I am always very careful not to over-tighten the screws. The NM ones are cheaper too<g>

hpp58 01-06-2009 01:31 PM

If they're rated you can use them.
I use two screw metal romex connectors all the time.

InPhase277 01-06-2009 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KE2KB (Post 208098)
Thanks for your quick reply;
It looks as though the connectors are big enough to accomodate the two cables. Nothing appears squeezed or pinched.
I don't think it would be OK in the old metallic "Romex" connectors. I have stopped using those, even though I am always very careful not to over-tighten the screws. The NM ones are cheaper too<g>

I have never checked the rating for any style of NM connector, but I have put in thousands upon thousands of both metal clamps and plastic hit-locks with two cables and never had a problem, either electrically or from an inspector.

KE2KB 01-06-2009 01:39 PM

Thanks for your help guys;
I have not worked with multiple cable metallic connectors, just the ones for single cables. I guess it's pretty simple. The rating / capacity should be stated on the package.
I just bought two packages of five NM type, but not sure if they are rated for more than one cable. I was planning to use them for single cables though.

Stubbie 01-06-2009 02:15 PM

Almost all metallic clamps are rated for more than one cable..as an example

Application: Indoors Only. Fits NM Cable: #14/2, #12/2, #12/3, AWG or 2 #14/2 AWG or Flex Cord .300 to .560 inches diameter 3/8" (1/2ko). Type: Twin Screw. In a dry location, use to connect nonmetallic sheathed cable to a steel outlet box or other metal enclosure. Miscellaneous: 3/8" size fits 1/2" knockout.

http://www.halexco.com/images/catalog/05103B.JPG

KE2KB 01-06-2009 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stubbie (Post 208126)
Almost all metallic clamps are rated for more than one cable..as an example

Application: Indoors Only. Fits NM Cable: #14/2, #12/2, #12/3, AWG or 2 #14/2 AWG or Flex Cord .300 to .560 inches diameter 3/8" (1/2ko). Type: Twin Screw. In a dry location, use to connect nonmetallic sheathed cable to a steel outlet box or other metal enclosure. Miscellaneous: 3/8" size fits 1/2" knockout.

http://www.halexco.com/images/catalog/05103B.JPG

The ones I have been using have the top half of the clamp bend downward, instead of upward as the one shown. Are the clamps reversible?

For the non-metallic ones, is there a specification that says they are good for more than one cable? The ones I bought at HD yesterday don't list any cable occupancy specs.

theatretch85 01-06-2009 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KE2KB (Post 208204)
The ones I have been using have the top half of the clamp bend downward, instead of upward as the one shown. Are the clamps reversible?

For the non-metallic ones, is there a specification that says they are good for more than one cable? The ones I bought at HD yesterday don't list any cable occupancy specs.

There should be something on the outside of the package that indicates what you can put in the connector safely.

Take a look at the link below, it shows the 3/4" version of the Arlington romex connector which indicates "1 or 2" cables:
http://www.foxelectricsupply.com/con...ductNo=ARLNM95

Hope this helps!

KE2KB 01-07-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theatretch85 (Post 208321)
There should be something on the outside of the package that indicates what you can put in the connector safely.

Take a look at the link below, it shows the 3/4" version of the Arlington romex connector which indicates "1 or 2" cables:
http://www.foxelectricsupply.com/con...ductNo=ARLNM95

Hope this helps!

Thanks for the link. I'll try those next. Today, I rewired some very old BX in my basement, and used this one for the NM cable.
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/p...Mconnector.jpg
I like them, but the Arlington looks simpler, since you don't need to use any tools to close them.

Leah Frances 01-07-2009 08:06 PM

I would just like to curse the heart of the electrician who wired my breaker panel. Every single knockout had at least two NM running through them. That combined with the bird's nest inside the box made tracing the circuits a :censored: - because, of course, none of them were properly labeled.

Is there any reason not to knock out more knock-outs (other than the minor cost of the NM connectors)?

handyman78 01-07-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Leah Frances (Post 209002)
Is there any reason not to knock out more knock-outs (other than the minor cost of the NM connectors)?

Probably just saving time in having to do this as well as the labor/effort to run single cables per knockout. My original 150a Murray panel which I just replaced was put in in 1971. The electrician used the larger knockouts like 1" or so and placed about 3 or 4 cables in each. My guess is that it was entirely legal at the time as it was inspected & approved by a reputable certified agency in my county.

Leah Frances 01-07-2009 09:17 PM

http://www.diychatroom.com/picture.p...pictureid=1401

And this was after I removed about 10 feet of decommissioned circuits that were just left tangled up in the box. All of the NM connectors on the right side are doubled up.

kbsparky 01-08-2009 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leah Frances (Post 209002)
....Is there any reason not to knock out more knock-outs (other than the minor cost of the NM connectors)?

Not enough knockouts, in many cases... :whistling2:

KE2KB 01-08-2009 06:20 AM

The electrician who installed my new panel (200A CH), he not only doubled up on connectors / knockouts, but also used several shared neutrals in runs from the panel to J-boxes just above it to connect with wiring that would not reach the new panel.
He used 14/3 or 12/3 cable then split the circuits in the J-box.
I believe, but I am not sure he has these circuits on opposite legs. I need to check this out next time I go in there.


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