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Old 11-07-2007, 12:42 PM   #1
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Dear Moderator,
I have been posting here for a while now and enjoy myself. I hope I have helped someone in the process. I have also learned some things too. Thanks.

But, I am concerned regarding advice some of the members are giving to people that have no business in panels or even recepatacle boxes.
I have posted advice that I realized I should have not. My concern is that someone may get hurt or even killed.
I started to post directions on a panel installation yesterday, but decided to advise the homeowner to get qualified help.

I am thinking if this would be possible?
1) Verify the poster as a qualified electrician?
2) Verify the poster is true unqualified DIY'er?
3) Do our best to make sure that information posted is correct and safe.

I am aware that the Moderator is not paid for his or her service to the forum. So, I am sure you guys (how many of you are out there) really would be put to task to ensure this could be realized.

I know I am suggesting something that may be impossible to accomplish, but I hope there is a disclaimer just in case. We are not working with water here, we are working with a potential killer.

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Old 11-07-2007, 12:54 PM   #2
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you know, i agree with you to a point. But in reality, electrical work isnt *that* hard. . . sure, it takes a level of care AND respect for what you're dealing with but is it really much different than working on a car, trimming trees, shingling a roof, repainting a house, using power tools, etc., etc. ?

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Old 11-07-2007, 12:57 PM   #3
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Hubbard, No disrespect, but it is people like you that encouraged me to post to the moderator......John
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Old 11-07-2007, 01:02 PM   #4
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Hubbard, No disrespect, but it is people like you that encouraged me to post to the moderator......John
I figured as much. But why can't a DIY turn off/on breakers to find the circuit their range hood is on? And if they can't find it, why can't they ask about tracing it. My point was simple. If an appliance is NOT on a protected circuit, then that's simply not safe and I either want to go back to the contractor who installed it OR make it safe myself.

I'm intelligent enough to respect electricity and intelligent enough to know when I am over my head. . .

So as a professional electrician, why not respond to my thread and suggest how i can solve my problem and suggest when I should call in a professional?
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Old 11-07-2007, 01:04 PM   #5
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you know, i agree with you to a point. But in reality, electrical work isnt *that* hard. . . sure, it takes a level of care AND respect for what you're dealing with but is it really much different than working on a car, trimming trees, shingling a roof, repainting a house, using power tools, etc., etc. ?

hate to bring up this subject here,..

you think the electrical work is not that hard well in some area it will be much wiser to leave this to the electricicans they can deal with it much better and in a safe manner and what more most of the electricians in here if you meet or know them we are in the progress on the code change some state will adopt the new code change after first of the year or later depending on the state requirements.

next good example is the service change over normally the service changeover is pretty much out of the average DIY area due there are multi codes to get involded in.


the other thing with between the DIY's and electricians is the words sometime can get confused and it can interclash one way or other depending on sisuation is.

i hope you can understand this matter here

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Old 11-07-2007, 01:15 PM   #6
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Mr. Hubbard, I agree that there are many things the DIY'er can do. There are many good answers on this forum too. But sometimes I just get concerned about the answers some forum members give. I would be the first to tell you to call someone or help you any way that I could. Like I said I meant no disrespect. I just do not want people getting ridiculous and just plain ignorant advice.
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Old 11-07-2007, 01:21 PM   #7
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Mr. Hubbard, I agree that there are many things the DIY'er can do. There are many good answers on this forum too. But sometimes I just get concerned about the answers some forum members give. I would be the first to tell you to call someone or help you any way that I could. Like I said I meant no disrespect. I just do not want people getting ridiculous and just plain ignorant advice.
i understand, believe me. I do. that's why I don't give much advice or do DIY work for other people. I'm willing to destroy my own home or body but not willing to do the same to someone else.

My point is that you cannot control the 'intelligence' of people - they'll hurt themselves regardless of advice. However, changing outlets, breakers, switches, even running a new circuit is not beyond what a DIY should and can do.
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:44 PM   #8
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Guys this is a DIY site... you cannot prevent homeowners (DIYers) or so called unqualified people from posting advice here. It might be wrong advice might even be crazy wrong but none the less it is not possible to prevent it. How ya gonna prove who is who anyway? When you register you can be anyone you want to be ain't no way to prove otherwise. Heck I could tell you I'm Elvis Presley.....

The majority of the time we are dealing with people that are wanting to save money cause they can't afford to do the project through an electrician or a contractor. The site policies explain what is to be expected in a DIY format so you get what you get for advice. The moderators can't control who posts here until they determine if the person is irresponsible in his advice or a trouble maker then they can stop his IPA but even this is not always totally effective.

So chill guys... we got a darn good site going here IMO. Anybody ever looked over at the Bob Villa site? Now that would concern you....
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:49 PM   #9
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this is my first dya here and in my opinion, the advice here is pretty sound. I was on one board where the 'electrician' bragged that he didnt turn the power off when he switch outlets and switches.. now THAT's bad advice
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People ask questions on these forums knowing fully it's at their own risk, sometimes to see if it's something they can tackle or not. In almost all cases with DIYer it's something basic. Most are not about putting in new services or sub panels. It's pretty easy to identify which are the more skilled and experienced vs. others. An example the adding a subpanel. You told them it's dangerous, and not something for a DIYer. That's a great answer. Had you detailed how to do it, and another poster didn't feel a DIYer is up to the challenge they'd usually posted so. The now famous hot tub post, someone gave the instructions on how to track down problems and another followed up saying, having a beginner trying to track problems with a 240V 40+amp circuit is probably not the place for a beginner.

In the end, I think people are safer and more knowledgeable getting responses to questions on here from DIYers and experts alike. This forum really emphasizes safety first and I've noticed an emphasis on the right tools for the job and education. The answers you get aren't usually just answers, they're much more. In most cases, the questions/problems are usually basic and a DIYer can sufficiently answer. An expert often adding the knowledge, explanation, special tools or tricks to getting it done safer and easier, and often the ones informing of mistakes. Well damn, I guess we owe the experts our gratitude!

Anyway most questions on here are pretty basic. And, you're right if someone asks a question that they really shouldn't be asking (anyone tell me how to put in a new service???) I think the response will be pretty straight forward... and anyone giving bad advice is pointed out quickly.

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Old 11-07-2007, 03:09 PM   #11
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Dang! Elvis is alive and living in Kansas!

Most of the time a DIY'er that has no idea about what to do can be spotted quickly by the way they describe their problem. To them the best advice is to call an electrician. For the others, sharing our experience and expertise can save them a lot of time and headaches in fixing what is usually a minor problem. Some are looking for information to fix a problem themselves, others are just looking for information so they can converse intelligently with a local expert.

I don't think sharing information here is a problem. Those that post incorrect information are quickly corrected and usually disappear.

I would be more concerned with the local jacklegs that think they know what they are doing and make a mess of small problems. Like the guy that says "the circuit doesn't work because there is a magnetic charge in the dirt that makes the GFCI trip." That's what he told the homeowner after four hours of "troubleshooting". I found the nicked wire in 15 minutes. (Brag).

Keep things like they are... it's working IMHO.
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I don't think sharing information here is a problem. Those that post incorrect information are quickly corrected and usually disappear.
Exactly, in fact, even replies with bad advice will always resuscitate a thread with no responses.
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Old 11-07-2007, 04:27 PM   #13
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Ya get what ya pay for..

I appreciate any and all advice here but anybody that considers this as an electrical apprenticeship and knowledge to do whatever they want with electrical in thier house does so at their own risk.

I dont think it should be the responsibility of this site to police all posts to ensure they are correct.
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Yep, I'm just an 'ole hound dog' laying around here in Kansas licking my aaaaaaa........I mean my paws....

With that.........Ladies and gentlemen Elvis has left the building...."thank you very much"
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Old 11-07-2007, 04:35 PM   #15
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I think if by any chance anyone give "bad advice", he/she is going to be destroyed and all over from all directions from all the expects/non-exepects everywhere... Consider so many people spot mistakes and like to correct to gain satisfaction... it is human nature....

so for people asked any questions, wait a day or two to check the final answers.... so that you get all opinions... not one or two only...

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