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Old 04-01-2008, 09:54 AM   #31
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Metric. Yes or no? Explain your answer.


2 things come to my mind..."Daylight saving" & "the metric system".

Both of these things attracted a huge amount of attention in Australia.

With Daylight Saving, all the old farmers started to say things like, "It'll dry up the dams" & old housewives would say "It'll fade the curtains." Of course, within a year or 2, these people either died or got used to Daylight Saving.

As for the Metric System, many said that you would get less product for your money. Others simply said that they had no hope of learning such a complicated system (complicated?).

At the end of the day, only one thing stood out..."fear of change". Many humans hate change. Many cannot adapt to a simple change of ideas. But this is not entirely true.

It took 2 years to implement the Metric changeover in Australia & another 5 years to "level off", whereby most people were accustomed to the Metric system. Quite simply, if this change had not been enforced, controlled & regulated, it would not have happened.

My 76 year old mate in Australia cannot use the Metric system with regard to height (length). He can use it this system in every other regard...quite happily.
When he hears the weather report on the News & they say "it will be 25 degrees tomorrow", he knows exactly what it means. The reason why he isn't familiar with Metric length is purely because he has never had to use it. For myself, I have forgotten the Imperial measurement of temperature. If some one says to me "It will be 120 degrees Fahrenheit today", I have a vague idea that it will be hot. Then again, "hot" to me is over 40 degrees Celsius. Where I come from, it's quite normal to get as hot as 50 degrees Celsius...that is HOT!!!

If you hate the idea of dividing/multiplying by 10/100/1 000 etc & love the idea of using fractions & "long division", have a nice & difficult life with the "old" system.

For those that have a fear of "change", be aware that the world will change around you & you will be left in the dust. Also, change is not difficult. It simply requires a "free thinking" approach.

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For those that have a fear of "change", be aware that the world will change around you & you will be left in the dust. Also, change is not difficult. It simply requires a "free thinking" approach.
We are Americans. That means we don't change, we change the rest of the world.
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Shoot Kangaroo... I've been changing all my life. When you worked for a large company like Ford for 30 years believe me you saw lots of changing. Everytime they changed division managers we were told to change to the new way of doing things. In general we loved change always meant gobs of over time. Never listened to us guys that have been doing the field work for them when we saw issues with how they wanted things changed. Of course this was a different type of change than your speaking.
It's apples to oranges if you want to know my feelings about metrics. I like apples and I like oranges if the world goes with oranges that's ok with me but I reserve the right to prefer apples. In the real world we little people don't have any choice about change. So bring your metrics on.. I doubt it will cause a bump in the road for most Americans. But a reminder we have been doing just fine without meters. Heck maybe metrics (which I will say one more time >>WE HAVE THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE) will let the United States of America catch up with the rest of the world that have buried us in the dust......

I will say one more time >>WE HAVE THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE....

The American Standard units are hanging on with a thin thread. I just don't get how you all think that some scientific measurement system is going to be some kind of major break through that is going to launch the USA out of the dust that is covering us from the international community. We've been using metrics for years in many aspects of American technology, medical industries, the electrical industry, so on and so forth. When our architectural firms design buildings, oil refineries..etc. for overseas construction do you think we do it in feet and inches?? Metrics are alive and well in the USA. It ain't like we are are a bunch of primitive blokes that can't find their arses in the dark without a flashlight and a metric ruler. I live in America and I'm darn proud of our Heritage, all I ask is leave.... our American measurement system alone. It ain't gonna cause my country to be buried in the dust.

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Shoot Kangaroo... I've been changing all my life. When you worked for a large company like Ford for 30 years believe me you saw lots of changing. Everytime they changed division managers we were told to change to the new way of doing things. In general we loved change always meant gobs of over time. Never listened to us guys that have been doing the field work for them when we saw issues with how they wanted things changed. Of course this was a different type of change than your speaking.
It's apples to oranges if you want to know my feelings about metrics. I like apples and I like oranges if the world goes with oranges that's ok with me but I reserve the right to prefer apples. In the real world we little people don't have any choice about change. So bring your metrics on.. I doubt it will cause a bump in the road for most Americans. But a reminder we have been doing just fine without meters. Heck maybe metrics (which I will say one more time >>WE HAVE THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE) will let the United States of America catch up with the rest of the world that have buried us in the dust......

I will say one more time >>WE HAVE THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE....

The American Standard units are hanging on with a thin thread. I just don't get how you all think that some scientific measurement system is going to be some kind of major break through that is going to launch the USA out of the dust that is covering us from the international community. We've been using metrics for years in many aspects of American technology, medical industries, the electrical industry, so on and so forth. When our architectural firms design buildings, oil refineries..etc. for overseas construction do you think we do it in feet and inches?? Metrics are alive and well in the USA. It ain't like we are are a bunch of primitive blokes that can't find their arses in the dark without a flashlight and a metric ruler. I live in America and I'm darn proud of our Heritage, all I ask is leave.... our American measurement system alone. It ain't gonna cause my country to be buried in the dust.

Obviously, my comment about "change" struck a chord with you. This is a typical human reaction.

Also Stubbie, you said, "We've been using metrics for years in many aspects of American technology, medical industries, the electrical industry, so on and so forth. When our architectural firms design buildings, oil refineries..etc. for overseas construction do you think we do it in feet and inches??"

The only obvious variance here is the electrical world, in which old units are still used. For example, cable sizes. If everything else has changed, as you suggest, why haven't cable sizes joined the massive electrical Metric world?

Whilst I clearly see your point, the one major point is to facilitate an easier level of communication between countries, re measurements. At the moment, the USA is one of the last countries to change to another system. Some would argue, "we are American & we don't change for the rest of the world. The rest of the world changes for us". This is a naive approach. It is as silly as if Australians insisted upon all shrimp being called "prawns", instead of "shrimp".

"Change" is relative to all humans. Whether it is about the Metric system or about spiritual enlightenment, "change" will always be controversial. Usually though, any change has a direct connection with spirituality.

Choosing to remain with a "soon to be changed" idea may lead to inner conflict.

The suggestion is simple, slowly get used to any change & the pain of such will not be memorable. It is proven that those who do not resist change have an easier life...for better or for worse.

It surprises me that how a different system of measurement can cause such a negative reaction in some people. In some cases, Metric thinking people may well be perceived as being Muslim fundamentalists. Mind you, many people reacted the same in Australia 30 years ago but these people are now either dead or they are a minority, as most people can very quickly grasp the idea of the Metric system.
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Spiritual enlightenment, inner conflict! Get off your soapbox, nobody cares. You sound like just another liberal wackjob talking about change.
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Hey I'm just one ant in the ant hill. The other ants want the metric system I'm sure that will eventually happen. I so no reason though that everything has to be metric in the US, to me that is ridiculous. as for the electrical industry. Many of our units are listed in metric sizes along with American Standards , most of our tables in the NEC... annex a -d and chapter 9 tables give the metric equivalentsright next the the standard units. Our conduit is given as a metric designator size. Wire insulation ratings are in in C and F degrees.

What I have been trying to say to you is we (the USA) are for all practical purposes on the Metric system. Why does the international community give a crap about how we measure here within the USA in our construction and private community?? Everything we export and sell to other countries is to their specifications. If your argument is that the metric system is easier to divide, subtract and multiply and add, to me thats all to the users opinion. It is undoubtely the system of choice in the world. The USA knows this!! We do our business with the international world in the metric system!!! There are no broken bridges!! Next we are going to be asked why are we not building our electrical grid like the rest of the world.

I'm not negative at all about the metric system, I use it everyday, I just don't see the need for the international community to think I gotta measure a wooden board the same way they do. This does not effect you or anybody else in the least. This is within our borders...it should not be a concern to the rest of the freakin world.

I'm not a fan of follow the other guys lead in all cases. I believe in taking the lead or being a leader whether it turns out right or wrong. I don't like rubber stamping. Obviously the metric system is considered the system to use in the world. We are using it where it matters!!! I'm simply saying here that we will change to the metric system in all aspects of our lives on our timetable if that is the course of history. The idea that we are not integrated into the metric system in the USA is niave, we put a freakin man on the moon using it, we explore space using it, our freakin Military services are totally on the metric system.

I do not think you are a Muslim fundamentalist!!

Just let me measure a board in feet you hard headed Aussie.....
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I'm going to have to agree with both sides on this issue. Let's not forget that the metric system was a mess before SI. They had kilograms of force, and tuns as a unit representing 1000 cubic meters, and myriameters, and bars for pressure... and more. We are really talking about SI. That is the proper term for the modern metric system. SI is elegant and simple... and ultimately it is flawed, because the meter is supposed to be 1/10,000,000 the length of the meridian through Paris, from the equator to the pole. Turns out the prototype meter based on this definition is actually about 200 micrometers short, but who's counting?

In the United States, Congress made it legal to use the metric system in 1866! We signed the Treaty of the Meter in 1875, along with 17 other nations. The yard and the pound have been officially DEFINED in terms of the meter and kilogram since 1893 here in the States! It isn't new. We haven't missed the boat. We are not being left anywhere because we don't use it amongst each other.

Every international transaction that requires a unit of mass or length is metric. Every Coke bottle we ship, here or abroad, has a metric volume printed on it. Every cereal box we ship has a net weight in grams.

Who cares if two Americans speak in SAE with each other as long as we speak in SI with our international pals? There is no more error involved with using inches as compared to using millimeters. It is up to the user to make the mistake, not the system. Hell, we even have an engineering inch, which is divided into decimals. Machinists in the U.S. use inches everyday to tolerances better than 0.0001". I have a micrometer that reads in increments of 0.01" (it is cheap-o).

And Stubbie, I think at the time we went to the moon, the engineers spoke in terms of feet, miles, and pounds of thrust. And that didn't hurt a damn thing. Still doesn't. My car gets 1140 kilobarleycorns to the pottle, dammit, and that's the way I like it!

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The USA seems to be doing pretty good as things are. I watched out the back window most of the day and I didn't see anyone passing us up.
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I hadn't thought of that John....

Kangaroo:

I understand your point... it is well taken. I also understand our countries are allies so lets not get our hair up in the air over how we choose to measure and calculate things.
I've always wanted to come to Australia and see that country. But that dang "crocodile hunter" convinced me that everything over there that bites is a killer....he should know....

Maybe you can give me a personal tour if I ever make it. Where do you live in that country when not in Thailand?
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I had to look at a medical report this weekend and it turns out the USA does use metric. At least their doctors do: One of my kidneys is 10.3 cm, the other is 11.2cm.

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