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Invisible-Man 08-02-2008 02:22 PM

Main Panel Upgrade
 
Hi,

could anyone tell me if a quote of $1,500 in the Cheboygan Michigan area is inline, to upgrade from a 50amp (20 slot) to a New 200amp Service - Includes new Square D panel, new metal pipe riser, strap, weather head, new wire, new meter base?

Also would this be a 40 slot, do you know?

Many thanks

Termite 08-02-2008 03:34 PM

Around here that wouldn't be a bad price, from what I'm seeing people pay.

Speedy Petey 08-02-2008 03:45 PM

$1500 for a 200A mast service???? Make sure this guy is on the level and is experienced. That price sounds TOO low.


A 200A 20, 30, or 40 space panel is not much different in price. Ask what he intends to use.

How about grounding and bonding? That is required as well.

fungku 08-02-2008 04:19 PM

That's pretty low. $2000-5000 depending on the situation is what you'd see around here.

Invisible-Man 08-03-2008 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 145264)
$1500 for a 200A mast service???? Make sure this guy is on the level and is experienced. That price sounds TOO low.


A 200A 20, 30, or 40 space panel is not much different in price. Ask what he intends to use.

How about grounding and bonding? That is required as well.

He is a licensed electrician that our very good building contractor that is doing an addition etc uses, I will ask about the grounding and bonding, any idea what the total materials would likely come to?

Many thanks

J. V. 08-03-2008 01:03 PM

Is this quote is for the whole job? Labor and materials? Sounds low to me too. You better check and be certain that he is licensed and insured.
Be careful if he starts asking for money up front for materials. This does not make him a hack since some very good EC contractors require some sort of deposit. But the good ones put it in writing. That way everyone is covered.

Speedy Petey 08-03-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Invisible-Man (Post 145467)
H..., any idea what the total materials would likely come to?

What does that matter?

petey_c 08-03-2008 02:38 PM

I guess he's trying to figure out how much of the $1,500.00 is profit. But he can't see the EC's overhead. Most HOs (an abbreviation for Home Owners) just assume Job Price - Materials = profit. I wish that were the case more often. pete

Speedy Petey 08-03-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by petey_c (Post 145497)
I guess he's trying to figure out how much of the $1,500.00 is profit. But he can't see the EC's overhead. Most HOs (an abbreviation for Home Owners) just assume Job Price - Materials = profit. I wish that were the case more often. pete

Right on!

I will say, the profit margin on services is higher than certain other work, but IMO this is justified.
There is a lot more work off site when it comes to services. Besides the fact that there is more to know, and there is more involved in working on unfused live parts than meets the eye.
We can make up taps if we are on an approved (and trained) list. There is also a HEAVY insurance burden that goes along with being on this list.
A HO that decides to do a service themselves can expect to shell out an additional $275 to have the POCO make up the taps.

Invisible-Man 08-03-2008 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petey_c (Post 145497)
I guess he's trying to figure out how much of the $1,500.00 is profit. But he can't see the EC's overhead. Most HOs (an abbreviation for Home Owners) just assume Job Price - Materials = profit. I wish that were the case more often. pete

Not quite the case, I was doing this as an exercise to see if it were at all profitable for an electrician at the quoted price, not to see how much money he could be making out of the job!

Speedy Petey 08-03-2008 04:14 PM

If he is a fly-by-nighter doing this as a side job he will likely make decent money.
If he is a legit contractor with all the typical overhead IMO he is cutting it short.

It is impossible to tell not knowing he real overhead.

Material can run $400-$900 on a job like this. Being (I assume) a mast service puts the material AND labor in a higher bracket.

Invisible-Man 08-03-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 145539)
If he is a fly-by-nighter doing this as a side job he will likely make decent money.
If he is a legit contractor with all the typical overhead IMO he is cutting it short.

It is impossible to tell not knowing he real overhead.

Material can run $400-$900 on a job like this. Being (I assume) a mast service puts the material AND labor in a higher bracket.

Not too sure what mast service is?

nap 08-03-2008 06:52 PM

that is an overhead service where they mount a piece of conduit to the top of the meter base and run the wire up through it and a weatherhead for the POCO to bug on to. (or the electrician if the area allows it)

jrclen 08-03-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Invisible-Man (Post 145218)
Hi,

could anyone tell me if a quote of $1,500 in the Cheboygan Michigan area is inline, to upgrade from a 50amp (20 slot) to a New 200amp Service - Includes new Square D panel, new metal pipe riser, strap, weather head, new wire, new meter base?

Also would this be a 40 slot, do you know?

Many thanks

That is a decent price. I live in farm country, away from the expensive cities and $1500 to $2000 is what I typically charge for an upgrade. Tell him you want a 40 space panel. SQ D makes a 200A 20 space panel and I would never use it as a main panel in a home. Get the 40. Make sure the price includes connecting the existing circuits to new breakers. Materials for me would be $600 to $1000.

Invisible-Man 08-04-2008 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jrclen (Post 145658)
That is a decent price. I live in farm country, away from the expensive cities and $1500 to $2000 is what I typically charge for an upgrade. Tell him you want a 40 space panel. SQ D makes a 200A 20 space panel and I would never use it as a main panel in a home. Get the 40. Make sure the price includes connecting the existing circuits to new breakers. Materials for me would be $600 to $1000.

Thanks for that, I am sure that he is a good licenced electrician for the very good builder that we are using to use him for his work, yes I would make sure that the panel was a 40 space one, even it was a little extra. The $1,500 was without the permit fee estimated at $100 or less.


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