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Old 07-31-2013, 11:51 AM   #1
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Hello, I have two electrical boxes that are loose. They are fastened to the stud securely. But they tend to pull outwards when I unplug. The box is a shallow blue box. It almost seems like the plastics isn't strong enough. I don't have any issues when I used the deeper blue boxes. Just the shallow one.

Any ideas how I can secure the box? I don't use the outlets, but need to fix them.

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Hello, I have two electrical boxes that are loose. They are fastened to the stud securely. But they tend to pull outwards when I unplug. The box is a shallow blue box. It almost seems like the plastics isn't strong enough. I don't have any issues when I used the deeper blue boxes. Just the shallow one.

Any ideas how I can secure the box? I don't use the outlets, but need to fix them.
Can you change the box?

It sounds like it's broken.

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Hello, I have two electrical boxes that are loose.
They are fastened to the stud securely.
But they tend to pull outwards when I unplug.
Is it the outlet that moves... or the box itself?

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I don't have any issues when I used the deeper blue boxes.
Just the shallow one.
How many wires are in there? and how long are they?
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You could use one of these on the side thats not screwed to the stud for extra support.

The long end resides inside the wall while the short pieces fold over on the inside of the box.
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Can you change the box?

It sounds like it's broken.

How easy is it to change out a box without doing drywall damage? I don't want to mud/texture and paint. I don't think the box is broken, just seems to flimsy being a smaller box. I don't think I'd of had this issue if it were a metal box.
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Is it the outlet that moves... or the box itself?


How many wires are in there? and how long are they?

I'll double check tonight, but it looks like its the side of the box thats not attached to the stud that moves. One outlet has one wire running into it. The other has two wires.
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You could use one of these on the side thats not screwed to the stud for extra support.

The long end resides inside the wall while the short pieces fold over on the inside of the box.

Interesting, I might have to try those. What are they called? and I'm assuming they would work on plastic boxes.
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Madison clips, F clips, battleships ...

Take the pic with you and say I want these.
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I don't believe Madisons are approved for use on nonmetallic boxes.

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I don't believe Madisons are approved for use on nonmetallic boxes.

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As they say, "If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around, does it make a noise." As for the use of the madison's, you could place heat shrink over the metallic clip that bends into the box and not have a contact surface.

The problem occurs, when people use them without realizing how bad they can be if they come into contact with the hot side of the outlet, or in the case of a GFCI or AFCI circuit, that if they touch Neutral, you get massive trips, and think that it is poor wiring, when it is an non-insulated surface touching the screws on the device in the box.
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I've cut the power to that circuit, pulled the outlet out of the box and added a couple of screws into the side of the box into the stud.
Before reinstalling the outlet I wrap it in electrical tape to make sure the terminal does not hit the screws.
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I've cut the power to that circuit, pulled the outlet out of the box and added a couple of screws into the side of the box into the stud.
Before reinstalling the outlet I wrap it in electrical tape to make sure the terminal does not hit the screws.
Joe you know a whole lot more than me, and what you say is easy to understand and certainly seems like it would be easy to do and would do the trick, but is it a code violation to mess with the box like that? Just askin!
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Joe you know a whole lot more than me, and what you say is easy to understand and certainly seems like it would be easy to do and would do the trick, but is it a code violation to mess with the box like that? Just askin!
What is the code cite that states that? What does the local AHJ state?

As for the plastic boxes getting pulled out through the opening, there is more at hand, then just a lose box in the wall. Hack job comes to mind. Those boxes are rated for a certain amount of shear force, before they are able to be yanked off the nails or screws holding them to the wood stud.
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What is the code cite that states that? What does the local AHJ state?

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OK, thanks I think i understand. Just check with the AHJ first and just tell them what you plan to do to the box. Sounds simple enough.

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