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Old 09-16-2013, 05:35 PM   #16
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Pretty creative scenario, no?
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Pretty creative scenario, no?
Yes it is. A lot of ifs in that scenario.
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Never could dig doing electric finish before drywall is done.
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We used a red caulk for fire stops. Easier to control than foam and easy for the inspector to see.
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Violation for cables stapled closer than 1-1/4" to edge of framing member.

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Violation for cables stapled closer than 1-1/4" to edge of framing member.

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Still a violation with the other side already finished? Just playing devils advocate on this one.

Honestly, with 2x4 framing, its still an issue even in the middle of the stud, siding guys only use one size nail, long ones...

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Still a violation with the other side already finished? Just playing devils advocate on this one.

Honestly, with 2x4 framing, its still an issue even in the middle of the stud, siding guys only use one size nail, long ones...

It could be a problem when the outside finish material is replaced. If it's just painted, I've still seen nails/screws added where the sheathing has pulled away from the studs. No reason not to just use some stack-its and do it right.

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Why? I could use a nail to support my wires, is someone going to tell me I can only have one wire under a bent over nail?
Not in Ontario you couldn't.
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Not in Ontario you couldn't.
You are mandated to use a staple that was designed for NM cable?
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It could be a problem when the outside finish material is replaced. If it's just painted, I've still seen nails/screws added where the sheathing has pulled away from the studs. No reason not to just use some stack-its and do it right.

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I agree, i'm just saying with 2x4 construction, good luck even with a stack it...
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You are mandated to use a staple that was designed for NM cable?
You are mandated to use devices that are specified for the job they are being used for. Nail are not sold or tested for use as cable straps just like you can't use water line PVC for conduit.
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Grounding hole can go up.

Look at it this way:
If you have something plugged in and something hanging on wall above the plug. If plug is partially out and the something on the wall falls(like a metal picture frame) the metal frame would first hit the ground prong of the plug instead of shorting out across the hot and neutral prong of the plug.

Next time you are in a hospital look how their receptacles are oriented.
Or, a knife....but then again, the likelihood of the object staying perfectly balanced on that ground prong is pretty slim....hence you have a 50/50 chance on which way it will tilt. If it tilts to the right...it will contact the neut blade....

If it tilts to the left, it will hit the hot blade of the plug....and depending on how your ground wiring is, it could energize your ground ckt creating an ever bigger problem....

So...the moral of the story is, going to the left is bad...going to the right is good.
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You are mandated to use devices that are specified for the job they are being used for. Nail are not sold or tested for use as cable straps just like you can't use water line PVC for conduit.
This isn't required in the NEC, so nails would have to be accepted.... as long as the cables are properly supported, not much else is required.
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Grounding hole can go up.

Look at it this way:
If you have something plugged in and something hanging on wall above the plug. If plug is partially out and the something on the wall falls(like a metal picture frame) the metal frame would first hit the ground prong of the plug instead of shorting out across the hot and neutral prong of the plug.

Next time you are in a hospital look how their receptacles are oriented.
You got caught in a classic troll trap.
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I see two wires under one staple. Is that staple rated for two wires. If not then it will fail.
They will only fail if they were made in Canada. US staples will work just fine....

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