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Old 11-19-2007, 02:51 PM   #1
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lighting a covered, enclosed patio


Our "new" (1956 single-story ranch) house came with a covered patio (metal roof extending off the finished eaves, single pane glass windows set in treated wood walls, vents above 2 doors only, concrete floor, 2 perimeter spotlights, outdoor wiring conduits & outlets for floor/table lamps and for plug-in watering system controller) on the North & West side of the house. It is accessible from the family room and 2 doors that lead to/from the yard.

For now, we want to tie its look into that of the family room. For the future, we MAY look into removing the roof and walls. At that poit in time we could change lighting fixtures. The family room has can lights, track (soon to become rail) lights, and designer pendants that match the dining room and hone entry (interior).

I'm assuming the lighting has to be "outdoor" however, finding "outdoor" lighting for an enclosed patio has not been very successful and finding ones by the designer or that might be "close enough" (except for very expensive) has also been futile. Instead what I'm finding is mostly deck or landscape lighting. So...

1a) How can an indoor fixture, such as a wall sconce (like the one I've found by the designer), be turned into an outdoor one (sconce or overhead)? [NOTE: I'd also like to possibly use these fixtures at the exterior of the main entry)

1b) Where does one find "designer" or "architectural" (but not $1000+) lighting fixtures for enclosed or even covered patio?

2a) Are there "outdoor" rail lights? Please point me to sources/stores (brick and mortar or online) if you know of them. I've not found anything yet.

2b) Is moving to rail lighting mounted along the eaves (next to the 2 perimeter lights) any more dangerous than continuing to rely upon table & floor lighting plugged into the outlets?

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Old 11-19-2007, 04:23 PM   #2
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Why does the lighting have to be outdoor for a fully enclosed patio? It sounds like you have windows and walls. Am I missing something???

1A. Don't know that you can. It would violate the listing.
1B.Don't know
2A. Don't know
2B. Don't understand the question.

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Old 11-19-2007, 04:41 PM   #3
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Technically there's "Dry", "Damp", and "Wet" listed fixtures.

Sounds like you have dry location to me as long as you keep it enclosed.

Removing the walls of the enclosure would then put you in the Damp category which is places exposed to temperature extremes, high humidity, and dampness BUT sheltered by a roof. An example would be a recessed light in the roof of an open porch, or a light used in a carport would need a damp location qualification. You'd do a search for "Damp rated fixtures". Halo brand has lights that are Damp rated but oddly don't state it on their packaging so, if you find any Halo you like you'll have to check online to see if it's damp rated.

A wet location would be something that can come into direct contact with the elements, maybe you have a lampost out near the driveway, an entry light with no roof above, or a floodlight that would be wet location and do a search for "Wet rated fixtures" not outdoor.

I think you've realized outdoor lights are landscaping, not the same as damp or wet rated. Good luck!

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thanks guys!

I posted in part because I went to HGTV and searched on "covered OR enclosed patio lighting" which resulted in numerous examples of their designers using "indoor" fixtures (sconces, pendants, swag, etc.) within enclosed and even some open-side/covered patios.

In one of the latter, there was (I think) a line that talks about "the outlet for the swag light is GFCI" And, an eZine article talks about using indoor table and floor lamps plugged into GFI outlets within a covered patio. But nothing else could I find about fixtures in general, and nothing at all particular to in-line fixtures.

One follow-up: If the rail light states it is rated "for indoor use only" does that denote any special precautions are needed for using it in an enclosed patio?

For example, maybe one needs to move the transformer to the inside of the adjoining "interior" room.
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In my opinion only which is more then welcome to be shot down...What you have right now is a dry location.

NEC definition: Location, Dry. A location not normally subject to dampness or wetness. A location classified as dry may be temporarily subject to dampness or wetness, as in the case of a building under construction.


NEC definition: Location, Damp. Locations protected from weather and not subject to saturation with water or other liquids but subject to moderate degrees of moisture. Examples of such locations include partially protected locations under canopies, marquees, roofed open porches, and like locations, and interior locations subject to moderate degrees of moisture, such as some basements, some barns, and some cold storage warehouses.


Which you got? what definition describes your porch best?
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