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Old 04-25-2007, 05:14 PM   #16
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Cool. But just so I know, if that white was carrying the hot lead and was connected to a traveller then the light would still work - I was wrong there?

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If you took the white wire you are calling hot and switched with the black wire in your drawing. You could turn the light off at that switch but the other switch will not turn the light on as it should. You can cross the travelers themselves up as much as you want everything is fine. But when you cross a traveler with a common terminal one switch will not control the light both on and off
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I think this is great.

I'm just observing the back and forth messages between Stubbie and J187. Although each is a bit of different approach to solving the problem at hand, I think it's very good to dig deep into each one's skills to 'argue' your points.

This is the way it should be. I think both of you (and all readers) get to learn more and more from the different opinions you put forth.

Keep it up, as it really does help everyone!


In relation to the problem...I hope the original poster hasn't been freaked out by the advice and called an electrician! Let's see how they make out with the advice...
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I think this is great.

I'm just observing the back and forth messages between Stubbie and J187. Although each is a bit of different approach to solving the problem at hand, I think it's very good to dig deep into each one's skills to 'argue' your points.

This is the way it should be. I think both of you (and all readers) get to learn more and more from the different opinions you put forth.

Keep it up, as it really does help everyone!


In relation to the problem...I hope the original poster hasn't been freaked out by the advice and called an electrician! Let's see how they make out with the advice...

HAHA, I doubt it. I think if anything the thought of electricians is even scarier now! I love the fact that there are pros here willing to spend their time helping others, I just everyone is able to be constructive and pleasant in doing so. Almost everyone is here to learn.

I always find it amusing when someone posts up a message and doesn't return for a response for a long while - I know people are busy but I when I post up a problem I check every 10 minutes for help... Its just funny to me.
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DIY forums are not professional forums. And therefore are open to anyone who feels they can give advice whether or not they are trained tradesmen. When we get into differences of opinion on a post it can be constructive learning but I think at times it makes the op feel we don't know what we are talking about because we disagree openly.
Generally I dont have a problem with anyone and treat all with respect outside of a few exceptions. NEWS FLASH!! I'm not perfect either.

I suspect though in this thread the op has returned and read the posts & has discovered (I Hope) the problem. Understand that it is wishful thinking that we are always going to be able to explain in a logical enough manner to troubleshoot a problem from 1000 miles away and expect a person with no electrical knowledge to figure out what we say here. Having said that if we can help one person safely fix a problem or safely wire up their project then we have taught them something and they won't burn their house down. We win some and we lose some as they say.

I was strong in my opinion to J187 not out of disrespect but that we were distracting the op from her original problem. Ground faults are a serious business even if the ocpd is functioning. They can still cause a fire from continual cycling of the light switches and resetting the breaker and the arcing that results from the fault before the overcurrent device opens. Arcs are instantaneous massive heat.. thats why we have all our splices and connections in boxes to contain that heat in a non-flammable environment. However continual cycling of a ground fault without clearing it can still get the wire insulation on fire or wood shavings in the box and then it can spread outside the containment of the box. If you have ever observed a ground fault intentionally set-up in a classroom you will be surprised at the energy released. The wiring will move (actually jump) in measurable inches when the fault is passed through the wiring. The arc that results in some cases can destroy gfci's and if passed through them several times can catch them on fire. Just one example.

This thread worried me in that respect that she would keep on resetting that breaker and keep passing that fault current through the wiring. Worrying about whether she may have or may not have crossed up the travelers would only IMO cause her to keep cycling that ground fault. Until she finds the ground fault fooling with the travelers is only going to cause her to retest the 3-ways and pass that fault through the wiring hoping that the travelers were a fix. I disagreed with J187... thats all. Thing I want people to understand is that electrical isn't plumbing where something gets wet if you do it wrong. It also scares the ************ens out of me when we have unskilled people sticking their hands into electrical boxes. Most come to the diy formats to try to avoid the cost of an electrician. And the reality is they are going to fool with the wiring whether or not they visit an electrical forum. So in that regard we serve a valuable service for the safety of these people and their property with our advice.

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DIY When we get into differences of opinion on a post it .... at times it makes the op feel we don't know what we are talking about because we disagree openly.
Although I'm sure you are right, that does happen, I don't think it should. You are far more likely to get bad advice from one flat opinion than you are from a forum where people openly disagree and discus the matter. The more than comes out in the open, the less that is left unknown and more gets clarified. That's the precise reason why I think forums work so well. In fact, I think this speaks to the point Mcvane was making.
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Hello

I am back - I did read the first posts and didnt realize there were more.

I will be honest I am so confused and the thought of touching wires at the panel scares me.

I am calling an electrician because I dont want to burn down my house -

thank you for all your advice but I just cant follow it
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I am back - I did read the first posts and didnt realize there were more.

I will be honest I am so confused and the thought of touching wires at the panel scares me.

I am calling an electrician because I dont want to burn down my house -

thank you for all your advice but I just cant follow it

Thats always the best idea if you can afford it. Good choice.

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