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Old 07-28-2012, 11:55 AM   #31
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Turf war?
No I believe its for your blatant disregard of the nec. The formulae that you posted and ideas, while usefull knowledge, have no place in residential wiring. For small electronic projects you be the guy to go to but housewiring needs to be ul rated. You may not like it but its the law. You can't just build your own stuff Willy nilly. It's like an engineer saying "do this" the numbers work fine and the electrician saying "but it won't fit into the box". The best engineers out there have hands on experience and understand the equipment that their designs will fit into.

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Old 07-28-2012, 03:22 PM   #32
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Arguing? Name-calling? Good Grief! Am I going to have to paddle someone here?
I want you ALL to go to that corner and stand there facing the wall until I tell you to come out!
....and then KNOCK IT OFF!

*sheesh*

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Old 07-28-2012, 03:26 PM   #33
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Arguing? Name-calling? Good Grief! Am I going to have to paddle someone here?
I want you ALL to go to that corner and stand there facing the wall until I tell you to come out!
....and then KNOCK IT OFF!

*sheesh*

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In what code cycle is paddling still legal
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Old 07-28-2012, 03:32 PM   #34
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Show me in the NEC where it says I CAN'T paddle the offending poster(s)!

(...now watch, he's actually going to FIND something!!)

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Old 07-28-2012, 03:36 PM   #35
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No I believe its for your blatant disregard of the nec. The formulae that you posted and ideas, while usefull knowledge, have no place in residential wiring. For small electronic projects you be the guy to go to but housewiring needs to be ul rated. You may not like it but its the law. You can't just build your own stuff Willy nilly. It's like an engineer saying "do this" the numbers work fine and the electrician saying "but it won't fit into the box". The best engineers out there have hands on experience and understand the equipment that their designs will fit into.
Thank you for not insulting me.

I respect the laws of physics - I've had to.
I do not respect rules made by Code Panel industry reps with apparent, or actual, conflicts of interest. And the response to my e-mail to the NFPA about this issue didn't do much to lessen that concern.

To me, even Mike Holt seemed surprised when he wrote about a requirement for GFCIs in car washes when there has never been an incident.
And how much extra safety do you get for your money when buying an AFCI? Is there a Moral Hazard to having one?

Some people have a zero-risk bias, and Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt can sell a lot.
It is just the way we are made.

And what little contact I have had with UL was not all that different. People behave differently when they are members of a large, powerful organization.
See
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"captive regulatory agency"

There is probably no solution to this except to move to a country less corrupt than the US, and you have your choice of more than a dozen.


I don't blame you for your views but I also believe that, because of your chosen vocation, you cannot possibly be impartial on this topic.

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Old 07-28-2012, 08:32 PM   #36
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Oh I'm totally impartial. I know most of it is a crock of sh*t. The reality is though that if something goes wrong in any part of the electrical system and his house burns down his insurance won't pay him when they find that little gem attached to his light.
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Oh I'm totally impartial. I know most of it is a crock of sh*t. The reality is though that if something goes wrong in any part of the electrical system and his house burns down his insurance won't pay him when they find that little gem attached to his light.
With ins companies, I don't know if the burden of proof is on them that the OPs resistor caused up to 100% percent of the damage
or
if the burden of refutation is on the OP that his gadget in no way caused damage. If it's this second case the OP is in big trouble, he'd have to hire expert witnesses, etc..

Ins. companies do not have to follow the law so he might be in trouble in either case.
Like Ms. Helmsly said, the laws are for the little people.
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Oh I'm totally impartial. I know most of it is a crock of sh*t. The reality is though that if something goes wrong in any part of the electrical system and his house burns down his insurance won't pay him when they find that little gem attached to his light.
I have had to make this comment many times, but the above is completely untrue. The insurance company HAS to pay. The only time they can deny a claim like this is if it is found that a fire was caused INTENTIONALLY.
This is not to say that they will not drop you the minute the claim is closed.
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I have had to make this comment many times, but the above is completely untrue. The insurance company HAS to pay. The only time they can deny a claim like this is if it is found that a fire was caused INTENTIONALLY.
This is not to say that they will not drop you the minute the claim is closed.

That can vary by state.
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Could be so where you are. Up here our laws are way more strict for fraud and things like that. It's very hard to make a lawsuit stick in Canada as well. If the insurance company can fight it they will.

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