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Old 11-12-2013, 02:02 PM   #16
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What's going over the sink? I've always found it's better to have two lights, offset to the sides. This way you don't get as many problems with shadows. If you're using recessed lights, that is.

The kitchen is 8'4" W x 14' L.

Not sure all I thought about was having the lights over the counter 24" from the wall.

I was thinking about putting 2 switches in the kitchen for lighting each grid.

Will you be using a 3-way setup to handle controlling them from different locations? Sorry I dont know what that means. I am assuming using switches in different locations in the kitchen to control the same set of lights.

Everywhere else we went with 5" cans. The 4" cans provide very directional down-light. The 5" do a better job of illuminating an area. 6" cans are a bit BIG.

Good to know. Ive really only seen 4" & 6" cans. So you're recommending

Kitchen: 2, 4" leds over the counter and the rest 5" leds.

As for 'how many' we've got 4 around the dining room ceiling, in addition to the center fixture. The combination of the two gives very good lighting options. That's where some 4" cans with open baffles might look nice.

I was thinking same thing for dining room. 4" cans with open baffles means with no trim ring?

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Old 11-12-2013, 02:05 PM   #17
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badsha came by my house on Sunday and saw my collection of both 6" and 4" lights....it answered some questions.....and created more.....

Very nice couple BTW....it's their first house and they are doing the mods before they move in.....my wife and I told them that they are missing out on a lot of fun by not living there while the construction is going on....
Thanks for having us, appreciate it. You're right about creating more questions, hah.
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Since you visited ddawg, I am assuming you are in Calif., so Title 24 applies.

If you are having this work inspected, you may need to talk to the Inspector to see what they accept. Some will only buy into cans carrying the T24 label, which will limit you to certain cans and LEDs.

Others will let you get by with a ICAT can and a retrofit LED kit. Still others may require you to remove an edison socket and hard wire in the plug connector that comes with some of the retrofit kits, before accepting it.

The answer to the above, as well as pricing, availability, and appearance, may impact your decision on the 5 or 6 inch question.

PS The title 24 requirements in the kitchen are different (more stringent) in the kitchen than the other areas.

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Update. I decided to go with 4" LED using the FEIT electric LEDR4_3K light. It is compatible with Halo Brand H99TAT, H99RTAT, H99ICAT. I most likely have to use IC for the kitchen.

Can anyone recommend some decent remodel housings that either IC or Non-IC for the rest of the house.

Kitchen - 9 LEDs
Living Room - 8 LEDs
Dining Room - 4 LEDs
Laundry Room - 3 LEDs
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Title 24 (for interior spaces), If the can goes thru the ceiling into an insulated attic space, it must be an ICAT.
So, if you are a single story, IC only or non-IC are out of the question.
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Title 24 (for interior spaces), If the can goes thru the ceiling into an insulated attic space, it must be an ICAT.
So, if you are a single story, IC only or non-IC are out of the question.
Not if the space above was part of conditioned space. For example, if the roof was spray-foamed, making the attic floor not the point where it's insulated. So while there's indeed truth to what you're saying there are certainly cases where it could be a valid question.
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IC = insulation contact and AT = air tight? So confusing.
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Not if the space above was part of conditioned space. For example, if the roof was spray-foamed, making the attic floor not the point where it's insulated. So while there's indeed truth to what you're saying there are certainly cases where it could be a valid question.
I can't really recall the last time I saw a conditioned attic space in Calif. Out here if it is conditioned space it is usually deemed to be another floor. Part of the reason is that in the non-snow areas, we use flatter pitch roofs, so attics lack headroom (particularly post WWII).


For Badsha the ratings are
IC = Insulation Contact
AT = Air Tight
ICAT = Insulation Contact and Air Tight

The TAT appears to be a NON-IC Air Tight that I have not had experience with. So, I cannot tell you what the first "T" stands for.
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Got it thanks. I found a wholesale place that sells ICAT Remodel Housings for $10 each!!!! Home Depot sells HALO Remodel ICAT housings for $20 each.

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