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Old 01-08-2017, 10:52 AM   #1
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I replaced a regular two way outlet successfully and when I turned the breaker back on I now find all the LED switches and dimmers are stuck full on. Any clues to fix? Thanks!

Note that all LEDs are in the same room as the wall outlet replaced

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I replaced a regular two way outlet successfully and when I turned the breaker back on I now find all the LED switches and dimmers are stuck full on. Any clues to fix? Thanks!

Note that all LEDs are in the same room as the wall outlet replaced
I'll not sure what you actually did. You changed the outlet, with another outlet? Anything special with the outlet?

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Could half of the receptacle have been controlled by the switch? If so you need to cut the tab on the gold side.
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What is a two way outlet?
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As Joed said.

In my house, I have receptacles controlled by light switches but in those cases only the bottom outlet is controlled by the light switch the top one always has power.

When replacing the receptacles, there's a tab on the side that attaches the top & bottom outlets so they act as one and it's made to be breakable. If you want them to behave differently (like the bottom is to be controlled by a light switch, and the top to always have power) you need to break the tab so they act independent. Otherwise they're linked and will behave as one.

The other case I've seen you break the tab in the recepts is if someone wants all the top outlets be on 1 circuit and the bottoms be on another. I've seen one house this way, and the owner said they did it so if they blew a breaker they would only lose all the tops, or all the bottom outlets but not both. I think that's a safety nightmare for the uninformed, I mean who tests both the top & bottom outlet doesn't have power when working on them...

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I think that's a safety nightmare for the uninformed, I mean who tests both the top & bottom outlet doesn't have power when working on them...
The uninformed probably shouldn't be working with electrical. If they chose to do so, they should be testing both top and bottom of a duplex receptacle. You can NOT over test when you are learning.

One of the worst things beginners do is over-rate their knowledge base. "Enough" experience enough to think they know it all, not enough to know they don't.

There is a saying that there are "old electricians" and "bold electricians", but there are no "old and bold electricians".

The same saying can apply to DIY.
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I mean who tests both the top & bottom outlet doesn't have power when working on them...
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I've seen one house this way, and the owner said they did it so if they blew a breaker they would only lose all the tops, or all the bottom outlets but not both.
That person did not install them correctly. To be code compliant they both must go off at the same time by use of a double pole breaker.
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That person did not install them correctly. To be code compliant they both must go off at the same time by use of a double pole breaker.
Can you provide a code section? For MWBC's sure, but what if they are on two circuits with separate neutrals?
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Don't have any reference to NEC. Try the section about two hots landing on the same yoke.
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Don't have any reference to NEC. Try the section about two hots landing on the same yoke.
Found it. 210.7

"Where two or more branch circuits supply devices or equipment on the same yoke or mounting strap, a means to simultaneously disconnect the ungrounded conductors supplying those devices shall be provided at the point at which the branch circuits originate."

However this only requires handle ties, right? (They don't have to trip together.)
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I believe handle ties meets NEC.

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