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Old 06-22-2013, 08:57 AM   #1
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I see quite a few kitchen remodeling where they consistently turned the kitchen outlets sideways, as in "landscape" instead of "portrait".

Is this a purely stylish choice?

Or are there practical reasons for it? I am thinking may be the backsplash tiles tend to be long in the width and short in the height so it's less cutting of tiles? Or when toasters, microwave, breadwarmer or whatever small appliances are used it's easier to deal with a left & right plug instead of top and bottom?

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IMO, personal preference, any more designers don't want them in the wall .. at all, so we mount them to the bottom of the upper cabinets, no tile cutting needed.

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IMO, personal preference, any more designers don't want them in the wall .. at all, so we mount them to the bottom of the upper cabinets, no tile cutting needed.
Interesting.

Does this mean the upper cabinets on the inside has a box protruding out or do you put a false bottom shelf?

Also, if someone has a plug in fragrant diffuser they would hang down, and if someone wants to use a plug in timer outlet they would go under the cabinet to look up to set the dial or digital display?
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I think both unconventional ways are dumb. Designers tend to overthink things too much. How many people actually put away their toaster or coffee maker? So with the recepts mounted on the bottom of the upper cabinets, you have a cord seen vertical.

What happens when someone wants to plug in a wall wart? Do they zip tie it to the plugmold?

A higher end kitchen, one where someone would like to not see the recepts in the wall, will also want under cabinet lighting. Now we have under cabinet lighting and plug mold. What a mess.

What do you do with the dishwasher/disposal/sink lighting/undercabinet lighting switches? Shallow wiremold boxes?

Seems like we are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. How many homes have you gone in that you have thought, "Gee, those switches and receptacles sure look stupid in that kitchen."? I think it would be more noticeable if the recepts and switches are not in the wall.
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Never said 'I like doing this'
yes surface mounted wire mold boxes
2 of my GC's do it this way, and they do not use the same designer
instead of plugs in the wall, now they have cords hanging down, (pick your poison)

but they get what the want, as long as it meets or exceeds code
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Designers tend to overthink things too much.
Ya think?!??

I have one right now that thinks she knows better than EVERYONE, and has the client convinced as well. What a P-I-A!!
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Ya think?!??

I have one right now that thinks she knows better than EVERYONE, and has the client convinced as well. What a P-I-A!!
That's why you need to charge extra for the aggravation factor

If they can afford the designer (who is making more per hour than you), they can afford to pay for your pain relief.
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I don't like the looks of landscape outlets, they look stupid, I also think due to our USA style of thin flat blades on the plugs, the weight of the cord and gravity are not "kind" to the prongs in that position, the upper prong would tend to want to slip out and the lower one would tend to want to bend- more so than they would with the normal vertical orientation.
I also don't like the outlets under the cabinets either!

What's suddenly "wrong" with seeing outlets now!!! I really dislike the current trends to hide and conceal buttons and outlets and things, that's one of things I dislike about my Mac towers is they put the stupid power button flush with the surface and it's difficult to find if not impossible by feel when the unit faces inward on a shelf.

I LIKE to see a good stylish outlet cover as a work of art, and I like RAISED buttons on things!!
This has me thinking now about outlet covers, I could model some interesting retro designs but I wonder what kind of material they could be made of and what the market might be.
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Just my two cents, who cares how we install them, as long as we are making money and meeting code, i really could care less about what someone wants. High end houses with designers and architects brings in big money for us... I'm so glad Im in the higher end residential....

I'm doing a 8000 sq. ft. house at the moment, they want all the switches remote located out of sight, just a few keypads and iphone access to their lighting....


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I never would mount them sideways unless there is a structural reason to. They don't work kindly with wall warts, night lights, or the rotary percolator timer I used to have.

People don't like to "see" outlets? It's not like they haven't been used in houses 80+ years.
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I'm doing a 8000 sq. ft. house at the moment, they want all the switches remote located out of sight, just a few keypads and iphone access to their lighting....
That IS a great way to do it, IF you can afford it.

What system are you using?
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That IS a great way to do it, IF you can afford it.

What system are you using?
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Up in Kingston, New York... And ALL the receptacles are being installed horizontal, not just the kitchen. I love it actually, a very cool look. Vertical is just so old school.

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We did the one in our bathroom that way. It's easier to use the hair dryer.....

It's like the discussion of which way the ground pin should go...up or down....in my garage, they are both ways....
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It's like the discussion of which way the ground pin should go...up or down....in my garage, they are both ways....[/QUOTE]

Uh oh, here we go...
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It's like the discussion of which way the ground pin should go...up or down....in my garage, they are both ways....
Uh oh, here we go... [/QUOTE]

Definitely down.

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